Can someone explain the memory fragments?

[John Hardcore WoW]

How do I use them to piece the story together?

[Juli-Muli]

There is one point in chapter 7 with Luke at the Great ballroom... ;)

[Nano]

I've managed to put together almost all of them by having everyone die, but that still left the pyre one out, considering it can only be obtained by going for Ending 1, and that means missing 3 of them along the way as far as I know. Very odd.

[JessMP]

If it's to attain them: The first six fragments is having all but Luke to die in their respective chapters (Hannah must not be possessed). The last two fragments is when Hannah, Marianne and Ashton die, Isabella, Rebecca and Zachary alive and with high relationship status, and having Luke to choose "Go. Leave."

Additional Note: And also both Isabella and Zachary MUST speak with the professor!

If it's to explain the story of the fragments, let me know.

[OxfordCommaCrusader]

引用自 JessMP：

If it's to attain them: The first six fragments is having all but Luke to die in their respective chapters (Hannah must not be possessed). The last two fragments is when Hannah, Marianne and Ashton die, Isabella, Rebecca and Zachary alive and with high relationship status, and having Luke to choose "Go. Leave."

Additional Note: And also both Isabella and Zachary MUST speak with the professor!

If it's to explain the story of the fragments, let me know.

I just got all of the fragments. All are pretty self-explanatory, and I went through the scene where Luke recalls all, I think 6.


Anyway, for the last two you can get only from the true ending, I understand the burning at the stake, but the other one where it shows the letter and, I take it, the original Lady of the House- what exactly is that one?

[bologna ghost]

引用自 OxfordCommaCrusader：

Anyway, for the last two you can get only from the true ending, I understand the burning at the stake, but the other one where it shows the letter and, I take it, the original Lady of the House- what exactly is that one?

The popular explanation seems to be that after Takako was executed, she came back as a ghost and haunted Charlotte. That drove her into suicide and writing her the help me letter in her blood.

Personally, I have my doubts about Charlotte commiting suicide out of fear and insanity. She is already shown to be a sadistic person, far more witch-like than Takako. I theorize that she may have started the curse instead, maybe somehow by binding herself to the letter and also becoming a ghost to get back at Takako for haunting her. We see the ghost flash between Takako and Charlotte a few times, so maybe she possessed Takako's ghost? Can ghosts possess each other? Lol anyway, Takako's ghost form is more zombie-like (physical) and Charlotte's looks more normal (ghostly/spiritual?)...don't know if it works that way in ghost myths.

[OxfordCommaCrusader]

引用自 Chronos Rose：

引用自 OxfordCommaCrusader：

Anyway, for the last two you can get only from the true ending, I understand the burning at the stake, but the other one where it shows the letter and, I take it, the original Lady of the House- what exactly is that one?

The popular explanation seems to be that after Takako was executed, she came back as a ghost and haunted Charlotte. That drove her into suicide and writing her the help me letter in her blood.

Personally, I have my doubts about Charlotte commiting suicide out of fear and insanity. She is already shown to be a sadistic person, far more witch-like than Takako. I theorize that she may have started the curse instead, maybe somehow by binding herself to the letter and also becoming a ghost to get back at Takako for haunting her. We see the ghost flash between Takako and Charlotte a few times, so maybe she possessed Takako's ghost? Can ghosts possess each other? Lol anyway, Takako's ghost form is more zombie-like (physical) and Charlotte's looks more normal (ghostly/spiritual?)...don't know if it works that way in ghost myths.

That makes more sense than the first explanation, because I agree, she was majorly sadistic and obviously would not have had a conscience in the first place. It would make more sense if she was just majorly possessive of her ... possessions.. such as the house and wanted to scare anybody off "her" property". Although that doesn't really have a connection between that motive and Takako's. And yeah, I noticed the exact thing as well, sometimes the ghost would form as Charlotte or at least her silhouette with her fuller, wavier hair than Takako's and sometimes the ghost would appear as Takako, so I'm not sure what that was about. I'm sure there's some explanation and it sucks that that wasn't explained. or is it explained after any of the routes? But true, I don't think when it was as Charlotte it really did anything, like when it was draping around Luke as Becca was leaving the mansion, and he obviously didn't feel it. But when the ghost was attacking people, it was definitely in a physical form.

[Chillaxing]

Yeah, this whole deal with Takako/Charlotte is very confusing. There's definitely some part of the Lady that fused with the maid upon death, if Hannah's lines of thought during the "possession" ending say anything, it's definitely something Charlotte would say. On the other hand, we have Charlotte crying for her mother to "take [her] with [her]", saying that "she's here".
Plus there's a shot of her crying in the attic with bloody hands when Ash finds her. What's that about? Is that how the ghost looks like whenever she's in weeping mode, ignoring everyone around her? And in the last memory fragment, Takako looks, dare I say, normal, just wearing some white robe or something. Yet Charlotte is obviously scared stiff for some reason.

I'm gonna go Wild Mass Guessing here and say that some part of Charlotte definitely fused with Takako, mainly the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ part, but maybe not everything? Maybe the crying for help part of her split off in a Literal Split Personality deal? Ugh, it's just Epileptic Trees all over again. And let's not forget that this whole mess supposedly took place in the 17th century, people's worldview was different back then and I'm sure they took ghosts differently too.

Also, just asking but does anyone know any good speculative posts about this game? Like Reddit or Tumblr or something?

[Karbunkel]

I would love to hear a official explaination for the whole Takako/Charlotte thing.

There's also the whole thing with the locket. In none of the memory fragments is Takako shown wearing it. Did she hid it in the attic all this time, was it placed there when things turned sour for her as part of a curse/soul anchor for her ghost or was it taken from her by Charlotte before her execution? The ghost seems to be able to possess or outright absorb other people like she did with Hannah. Hannah was already gaga before she put on the locket so I guess it's not something she needs to possess people. So maybe Takako possessed/absorbed Charlotte after her haunting and her looks and behavior depends which one of them is in control at the given moment. And the letter was a last cry for help before she was gone, hoping someone who finds it would be able to save her soul.

I really have no clue. A mini chapter dlc to explain everything would be nice. Throw in a Devlin Court mini chapter and I would be totally satisfied.

[Chillaxing]

Well, what I do know and have noticed myself is that before the latest major update (I think it's this one) the CG of a totally normal-looking Takako talking to Luke in the garden didn't have her wearing her locket, yet she does now. Why the change, I'm not sure, but maybe it means something?

Oh, I would love a Deviln Court dlc bonus myself. I'm way too curious about what happened there that a dead body ended up in a sofa. Also that's apparently when Ash started crushing on Isabella and I'm pure Ash/Bella trash

[Izzy]

Maybe the whole thing is just Takako passing off as Charlotte at times for kicks? Kind of like what she does in Marianne's chapter where she transforms into Lorraine to mess with her! It would have made more of an impact to victims to see the image of a haunted Lady Charlotte, whose face is all over the mansion in portraits, the newspaper articles, history, versus the unknown -and likely seen as unimportant- servant that was Takako. Idk so she might've just been using a more recognizable face for those instances she turns into Charlotte.

[OxfordCommaCrusader]

引用自 Paya：

Maybe the whole thing is just Takako passing off as Charlotte at times for kicks? Kind of like what she does in Marianne's chapter where she transforms into Lorraine to mess with her! It would have made more of an impact to victims to see the image of a haunted Lady Charlotte, whose face is all over the mansion in portraits, the newspaper articles, history, versus the unknown -and likely seen as unimportant- servant that was Takako. Idk so she might've just been using a more recognizable face for those instances she turns into Charlotte. [/quote]

I think I agree with you on that, she might just appear as Charlotte at times because she did that with Lorraine.

Maybe Takako just hid the locket in her room or something and cursed that so when Charlotte found it, it cursed her and she was able to possess her, in similar fashion to when she possessed Hannah and lived as her for a bit- maybe she did the same thing with Charlotte? I'm talking about after she was executed and Charlotte was still alive. That might make sense for the possible fusion part.

I think when Ash saw Charlotte crying in the room, that was probably just to get his attention and bring him to that room as a lure of some sort.

Although along those lines, I noticed that whenever she appeared as Charlotte, either in silhouette form or in almost physical form, the people who saw Charlotte weren't as deathly scared/terrified. They were uneasy and chilled, but I don't think they were full-blown utterly terrified the way they would react whenever seeing Takako. So maybe she appeared as Charlotte when she only wanted their attention, but not to outright make them run away?

[bologna ghost]

引用自 OxfordCommaCrusader：

That makes more sense than the first explanation, because I agree, she was majorly sadistic and obviously would not have had a conscience in the first place. It would make more sense if she was just majorly possessive of her ... possessions.. such as the house and wanted to scare anybody off "her" property". Although that doesn't really have a connection between that motive and Takako's. And yeah, I noticed the exact thing as well, sometimes the ghost would form as Charlotte or at least her silhouette with her fuller, wavier hair than Takako's and sometimes the ghost would appear as Takako, so I'm not sure what that was about. I'm sure there's some explanation and it sucks that that wasn't explained. or is it explained after any of the routes? But true, I don't think when it was as Charlotte it really did anything, like when it was draping around Luke as Becca was leaving the mansion, and he obviously didn't feel it. But when the ghost was attacking people, it was definitely in a physical form. [/quote]

I was confused about Charlotte's motivations for keeping Luke with her, but she did seem very angry at Eduard for leaving her. She probably viewed Eduard as a possession, and if he had feelings for Takako after calling off the engagement, Charlotte would definitely have been even more pissed and vindictive. The ghost whispering to Luke and the one that does most of the talking at the end always has an English accent, what Takako doesn't have, so it is likely to be Charlotte's voice.

Maybe both Takako and Charlotte wanted Eduard? Takako seemed to like him and was jealous of Charlotte, based on the first memory fragment. If I remember correctly, the first memory fragment explicitly states Takako serving them tea with a jealous look. I guess the help me message we get now (not the original letter) is Takako wanting to separate from Charlotte and/or reuniting with Eduard. When the ghost begs (or demands O_O') help, it has Takako's voice and not Charlotte.

Also, I think they're more likely to believe Luke is the reincarnation of Eduard, due to the superstitions from their era (witches and whatnot). Although I thought reincarnation was more of an Eastern idea (believeable for Takako).

I think there's A LOT more to the history of the Ermengarde mansion than what was presented to us from the memory fragments. We've only skimmed the surface and I hope YYM releases content that explains it.

[bologna ghost]

引用自 nekonyashka：

Yeah, this whole deal with Takako/Charlotte is very confusing. There's definitely some part of the Lady that fused with the maid upon death, if Hannah's lines of thought during the "possession" ending say anything, it's definitely something Charlotte would say. On the other hand, we have Charlotte crying for her mother to "take [her] with [her]", saying that "she's here".
Plus there's a shot of her crying in the attic with bloody hands when Ash finds her. What's that about? Is that how the ghost looks like whenever she's in weeping mode, ignoring everyone around her? And in the last memory fragment, Takako looks, dare I say, normal, just wearing some white robe or something. Yet Charlotte is obviously scared stiff for some reason.

I'm gonna go Wild Mass Guessing here and say that some part of Charlotte definitely fused with Takako, mainly the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ part, but maybe not everything? Maybe the crying for help part of her split off in a Literal Split Personality deal? Ugh, it's just Epileptic Trees all over again. And let's not forget that this whole mess supposedly took place in the 17th century, people's worldview was different back then and I'm sure they took ghosts differently too.

Also, just asking but does anyone know any good speculative posts about this game? Like Reddit or Tumblr or something?

I'd love to use Reddit for speculating on this game, but it's mostly here I find any talk on it.

Yeah, I agree the whole Hannah possession is probably Charlotte. Why would Takako refer to others as peasants when she's a servant? Although Charlotte crying for mama is...really out of character, imo. She manipulates and tortures people, but she's afraid of some ghost? I'm sure it would be startling at first, no matter what kind of monster you are,
but hmm... that evil lady crying for mom.

I should research ghost superstitions of that time period lol.

[Chillaxing]

This discussion is slowly becoming a ghost's nature speculation thread and I love it. Really.
Also, I'm calling this amalgamation Takarlotte and nobody will stop me.

[Karbunkel]

Charlotte's personality really shines through during the possession of Hannah. Maybe she does even see a bit of herself in her? Not just the looks but it's also said that she is practically Luxbourne royality. But there are also instances where she acts like a housemaid to Luke. Helping him get ready for the day, making him delicious breakfast, getting sugar/milk for his tea... it's really strange.
I think Charlotte crying for her mama isn't too far fetched. She seems like the typical pampered daughter that got everything she wanted, never got reprimanded and, thanks to her facade, was loved by everyone. She got spoiled rotten.
A common reaction when the big bad bully get's what he/she deserves in media, is that they start crying and run for mama. And Takako seems even more unlikely to cry for mama.