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Kinne 2016 年 11 月 11 日 下午 12:18
What's the best REALISTIC way to spend free diamonds?
Obviously, the most efficient way to spend free diamonds is by saving them up for the 64x boost. But don't kid yourself, you're not going to get to 120 free diamonds without boosting anything. The prestige boost doesn't stack up by itself, and you'll only be getting a 10% or less boost per reset before long. It would take months, if not years to get 120 diamonds without any boosts.

So since it's not realistic to save up for the 64x boost, is it better to boost hobbies by 16x, or everything by 8x?

Hobby pros&cons: 16x boost is larger, and can be applied much sooner in the game. But the boost doesn't affect jobs.

Globa pros&cons: 8x boost applies to hobbies and jobs. But you have to play without any boosts longer to get the 8x.

The deciding factor will be how helpful an 8x is. By spending 75 diamonds, there are still 64 diamonds left in the game. You're not going to get 120 diamonds without boosting anything, but you CAN get to 75 diamonds without boosting anything. But can you go from 75 diamonds to 105 with only an 8x boost? And can you go from 105 diamonds to 135 with only a 16x boost?
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coolDisguise 2016 年 11 月 12 日 上午 2:59 
引用自 BurgerDaddy
引用自 Nantes
Time skip is not EVER worth it.

I'd say the best is to buy two x16 boosts. x8 boosts seem like a waste to me.

worked out great for me :3

x boosts are only useful if you plan to play the game forever. I don't, I'm just trying to make as much progress as I can before i get bored and uninstall it. Probably soon. I basically skipped a week towards the time I'm gonna quit, so it's greatly worth it ^_^

That still makes no sense. With boosts, even only x8, you still skip more than 1 week, practically.

EDIT:
and x8 should be easily reachable through normal gameplay in very little time.
最後修改者:coolDisguise; 2016 年 11 月 12 日 上午 3:01
Kinne 2016 年 11 月 12 日 上午 7:59 
After thinking about this a different way, the answer became obvious. To get all hobbies to 16x costs 120 diamond. To get 16x global costs 105 diamonds. So it's cheaper AND gives more boost. I should've been thinking about the diamonds, not the boosts.
CZBGR Icepick 2016 年 11 月 12 日 上午 8:31 
I just started the nutaku version, so since I can't cheat there, I have to find out the hard way. I did the cheat for a few months work, until it got tedious going through the 7 day limit. So, so far with that, I'm at 109 diamonds, even with walls that I just give up, collect and try to see if I progress faster. I'm completely f2p, so even with that one "beneficial" cheat, it's still hard to get to.

But I'm also doing this blindly in the dark without guides, and because I only have 109 diamonds, I didn't spend ANY until it is possible to get the x64 boost. I've also learned that part of the issue is the progression is tricky. I didn't pay attention to it initially, but I am getting gather impression that prestige boosts increase every time I click it (so, it could go to the max very easily), but if I wanted the money boost, the cash value only increases for as long as I keep progressing with the girls (as well as that being a factor of time) and breaking walls.

So, in that regard, since there isn't a concise guide that easily explains all this in a better way, the better question I would ask is, how do I get the x64 boost efficiently with all the required diamonds as a f2p player on a day to day basis, if that's even possible? Unless they release more girls so they can increase the number of possible diamonds, all I know is that I'm just experimenting with strategies without a sense of what I'm supposed to be doing. And that's ok, because I enjoy the journey. But I am curious, and I think an explanation like that would help people more.
最後修改者:CZBGR Icepick; 2017 年 3 月 26 日 下午 4:47
Little Bunny Foo Foo 2016 年 11 月 12 日 下午 2:42 
I don't know if this has been patched yet, but when you do a full reset you keep any speed boosts purchased from the shop. In other words, buy a bunch of x2 boosts than full reset (make sure to have a save file just in case this doesn't work anymore).
Howru 2016 年 11 月 13 日 上午 12:44 
It was patched.
coolDisguise 2016 年 11 月 13 日 上午 12:57 
引用自 CZBGR Icepick
[...] So, in that regard, since there isn't a concise guide that easily explains all this in a better way, the better question I would ask is, how do I get the x64 boost efficiently with all the required diamonds as a f2p player on a day to day basis, if that's even possible? Unless they release more girls so they can increase the number of possible diamonds, all I know is that I'm just experimenting with strategies without a sense of what I'm supposed to be doing. And that's ok, because I enjoy the journey. But I am curious, and I think an explanation like that would help people more.
I'm on 119 diamonds right now and could very well go to 120 diamonds if I did not reset as often as I do. You wanted to know how to get efficiently to 120? Well, let's analyze:
- to earn diamonds you need relationship levels
- to earn the relationship levels you need vast amounts of cash
- for vast amounts of cash you need lots of jobs running at the same time and very fast
-> so you need timeslots as well a good prestige multiplier

How do you get this?
Without giving a detailed stratey about the allocation of your timeslots etc., since you made it clear you want to figure this one out yourself, I'll try to answer your question on an abstract level.

Timeslots: do achievements =make progress in any way, i.e. job levels or relationship levels.
Prestige: You need to realize how far you can progress in a timely fashion, i.e. you want to have a grasp of how much prestige you can gain in certain amount of time. Prestige depends only on gaining relationship levels with the girls. For every progress state, (except when you're done :P) there is a point that keeps you waiting a long time for minimal additional prestige multiplier. This is the point, that is most easy to identify, when you should be resetting. Maybe even a little earlier. The exact "which point that is" and "how to best get to that point" I'll leave to you.

You'll notice, that you'll accelerate this way and your reset point will be moving farther away from your reset point. So basically instead of "from day to day" (= reset once each day) the best solution is an ever expanding timeframe between two resets with discrete steps.

For me, I believe this is about 2 resets to 4 resets each day. It also depends on how much "work" you want to put in. At some point I powerleveled with 30 resets for 2 days, which brought me a giant leap forward. Exectuted perfectly, this should have been around 200 resets a day, but I preferred to keep my sanity instead. And also spend some time doing other things beside playing this game. Now it's more idleing again, I reset once before I go to work in the morning and once when I come back in the evening, which for me is working out. Should be on max prestige well before the end of the month.
最後修改者:coolDisguise; 2016 年 11 月 13 日 上午 12:59
CZBGR Icepick 2016 年 11 月 13 日 上午 7:48 
引用自 coolDisguise
For me, I believe this is about 2 resets to 4 resets each day.

But this is a lot of resetting in one day. Surely, wouldn't you reach the max, or rather in this circumstance, the ceiling, potential that you cannot progress that any faster than possible too soon? To me, it doesn't matter if you did end up using boosters, because once they put out there that your prestige has a cap, the difficulty is managing that. In Nutaku, you don't have a choice but to live through that, but the Steam version is easier to breeze through with the (tedious) cheat. To me, it feels like another wall to go through either way. Honestly IDK why they did this for this game, as opposed to AdCap where it doesn't seem to be any limit at least to how we can describe numbers we quantify and abilities to boost and whatnot.

Basically, the bottom line is that what I'm looking for is what you should be doing day to day. For example:

Day 1 - Deal with Cassie (boost or no boost?)
Day 2 - Deal with Mio (boost, if you need help with Quill)
Day 3 - Complete Quill (she's a big wall, hence the possible need to boost more)
...And so on.

I'm not doing the prestige thing day to day, as in boosting it every day or even 2-4 times in a day. After I gave up on the cheat thing, I wanted to test out how easy it would be at my point where I could progress in a rational level. I wanted to hit Lover achievements for one girl at a time (my challenge), and seeing where the walls would be. Where do I boost? From what I know before, Quill has a different sort of wall because she's sort of out of order, since the Luck hobby doesn't unlock unless I progress with other girls first after her, so this required me to click through everything the hard way. Each time I hit all those levels, I wanted to see how hard it would be to go through it without having to boost prestige, considering the ramifications of that cap. Knowing that, if I boost through this too quickly, this is either going to go too fast, or feel limiting. Hence, going blind, I don't know what pattern I should be looking for to efficiently achieve all those levels, which would help me increase prestige and restart. So all I had to start with according to my goal is that if the wall is going to frustrate me, then the obvious choice is using prestige which io already know should help me break through that wall. I'm choosing to boost when it is wise for me to do so.

However, as I mentioned, there may be a pattern. If there is a certain pattern to each wall, I have to know when to boost or how many times to boost to beat those walls (might as well call this the boss level, considering the nature of the game). I obviously need to do it as efficiently as possible since there is a prestige cap. The whole time, I ignored the money issue because it's practically no object at this point. it can increase a lot each time prestige is built up, so it isn't an issue to buy gifts and find dates and so forth. However, if I'm starting over a la my Nutaku phase, I'm kind of seeing a fresh start to my goals, and I know the walls are harder in the beginning. Such as, if you started early, buying drinks as gifts for several girls, even at the same time, is a bit cumbersome. Imagine the difficulty having to start over and just buying 1 for just 1!

I think the only other challenge that money could be more of an issue is if they decided that each time I prestige, I may need to buy different dates or different gifts for each girl and lover level, which I think would be fun to spice things up. Of course, they have to be reasonable limits. Can't just buy a new car from day 1, unless you're already at that point where it's possible (maybe).

Again, I'm just looking for the reasonable pattern that would answer many of the questions people would like to clarify. I already know the basics of what prestige and money bonuses help with. I mean, even if I got that far with 109 diamonds, I think I would already know quite a bit. I just never actually paid attention to how to do it better (i.e. critical thinking math skills), even if there wasn't anything wrong with what I was doing the first time. Anyone can start over from scratch, even if they wasted some time. The game isn't that difficult, but it just needs some mysteries resolved - which brings us here.

You can do whatever you want though, and there's certainly nothing wrong with that. This was just a mere curiosity for me to expand my knowledge.
最後修改者:CZBGR Icepick; 2016 年 11 月 13 日 上午 7:49
coolDisguise 2016 年 11 月 13 日 上午 11:20 
From reading that I'm somewhat confused if you might have misunderstood the cap mechanics. 2048 is the cap for your prestige, and there is ALSO the EXTRA multiplicator from the boosts. Which is separate and goes to 8192, building multiplicatively from the boosts you can buy. IN TOTAL the maximum boost you can get is 2048 x 8192, but one multiplicator does not substitute for the other.

Anyhow ,if I am understanding you correctly, you want to see the list of accomplishments from day i=0 to n, listed by days if the game is played "perfectly" without boosts or cheating? I'd be interested to see the game solved that way with the additional revelation of the strategy. I'll be finished soon anyway, but it's interesting, even though most likely nobody could execute it because of needing to sleep, eat, work, etc.
CZBGR Icepick 2016 年 11 月 13 日 下午 12:48 
引用自 coolDisguise
From reading that I'm somewhat confused if you might have misunderstood the cap mechanics. 2048 is the cap for your prestige, and there is ALSO the EXTRA multiplicator from the boosts. Which is separate and goes to 8192, building multiplicatively from the boosts you can buy. IN TOTAL the maximum boost you can get is 2048 x 8192, but one multiplicator does not substitute for the other.

Anyhow ,if I am understanding you correctly, you want to see the list of accomplishments from day i=0 to n, listed by days if the game is played "perfectly" without boosts or cheating? I'd be interested to see the game solved that way with the additional revelation of the strategy. I'll be finished soon anyway, but it's interesting, even though most likely nobody could execute it because of needing to sleep, eat, work, etc.
You're not confused. Stripped down to that, I'm not concerned with the boosts. As you also said, they are separate, so even if you do stack it, you are still capped. I don't know how many times I could say it, but you are capped, even with the boosts, so that doesn't even matter. It's not to infinity. Yes, those multipliers do seem to be a lot, but you are getting ahead of yourself.

More to the point, the actual issue is that getting there is a different story. As I only have played at least a month willy nilly, and only have 109 diamonds + semi-cheat + no diamonds spent, I am nowhere near where I should be just to get the x64 boost in the first place. There's no actual timeline to say "this is what you should be doing in order", then actually map out how long it should take. I mean, the game isn't really meant to be a time waster, but then again, there is a lot of time to spend on it just to knock some things down, so it comes down to how you're supposed to play. As far as I am concerned, once you're capped, you've reached it's potential. There's just no clear guidance into how you get to that point as everyone else that talks about it leaves me to assume that they've been there, but then again, I could be wrong. All I know is that logically taking in that information, it doesn't tell me how that is strategized.

The very first paragraph of the OP demonstrates that problem that much. You can't get some without sacrificing something (more diamonds or your time) as soon as you could be able to get the x64 boost. So, if you could do that overcoming that issue, that would be great to know. If not, then how does it work out?
Arlesmon 2016 年 11 月 17 日 下午 9:33 
I went for the 8x boost.

Sure, it's not as good as a 64x boost, but it helps me on grinding, since I have my doubts of spending money on this game (thanks to pamu).
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