Why!?! Give us Xenoverse 3!

[ChaseHammer]

This game is on life support at this point. The DLCs are just cash grabs with no real content.

Give us Xenoverse 3 already. Ridiculous.

[iamcorn]

What do you expect they'd do with XV3 that they aren't doing with the DLC?

[maharlikan_panuway]

Originally posted by iamcorn:

What do you expect they'd do with XV3 that they aren't doing with the DLC?

exactly!!! <3

[MegaDuck]

They wont make xenoverse 3 until people stop buying the DLC, and the people that are buying the DLC are generally susceptible to this kind of business tactic.

[MekaDovah]

Originally posted by MegaDuck:

They wont make xenoverse 3 until people stop buying the DLC, and the people that are buying the DLC are generally susceptible to this kind of business tactic.

Would you prefer buying XV3 and all of its DLC instead? Is that somehow better?

[MegaDuck]

Originally posted by MekaDovah:

Originally posted by MegaDuck:

They wont make xenoverse 3 until people stop buying the DLC, and the people that are buying the DLC are generally susceptible to this kind of business tactic.

Would you prefer buying XV3 and all of its DLC instead? Is that somehow better?

You mean an entirely new game built with new technology that allows for more interesting and expanded gameplay and features?, rather than pay the same amount of money for small mediocre additions to the current one?

Yes.

[iamcorn]

Originally posted by MegaDuck:

Originally posted by MekaDovah:

Would you prefer buying XV3 and all of its DLC instead? Is that somehow better?

You mean an entirely new game built with new technology that allows for more interesting and expanded gameplay and features?, rather than pay the same amount of money for small mediocre additions to the current one?

Yes.

See I feel like we're glossing over two things here; What specifically are people expecting they'll do with XV3 and would they even actually do those things?

The differences between 1 and 2 were relatively shallow to begin with, at least upon 2's release anyway. I'd imagine XV3 would end up being very much the same, only really becoming all that different from 2 a few updates and DLC in wherein there's a good chance they'd probably make you re-buy most of those characters anyway.

[MekaDovah]

Originally posted by MegaDuck:

Originally posted by MekaDovah:

Would you prefer buying XV3 and all of its DLC instead? Is that somehow better?

You mean an entirely new game built with new technology that allows for more interesting and expanded gameplay and features?, rather than pay the same amount of money for small mediocre additions to the current one?

Yes.

Considering what the differences between XV2 and 1 ultimately amounted to, I feel you're being very optimistic to assume you'd actually be getting that much.

Don't forget, it's also a pretty common tactic to release a "sequel" that makes superficial upgrades at best to justify getting people to buy the same game and its DLC all over again. Look at any given sports series. Look at The Sims. Look at how XV2 makes us go through XV1's content all over again for the majority of the game.

They get you to pay one way or another. If we're suckers for buying DLC after they've announced it and tell us what's in it, what does that make someone who's already sold themselves on the mere fantasy of a sequel that doesn't yet exist?

[MegaDuck]

Originally posted by iamcorn:

Originally posted by MegaDuck:

You mean an entirely new game built with new technology that allows for more interesting and expanded gameplay and features?, rather than pay the same amount of money for small mediocre additions to the current one?

Yes.

See I feel like we're glossing over two things here; What specifically are people expecting they'll do with XV3 and would they even actually do those things?

The differences between 1 and 2 were relatively shallow to begin with, at least upon 2's release anyway. I'd imagine XV3 would end up being very much the same, only really becoming all that different from 2 a few updates and DLC in wherein there's a good chance they'd probably make you re-buy most of those characters anyway.

X1 and X2 came out within the span of a year of each other and to say they are the same game is a little disingenuous. They are completely different in their gameplay loops.

Now add to the fact that It's been almost 2 full console cycles since 1 and two came out, and 7 years since 2 came out., and the advancements in tech since. Yeah, a X3 is much MUCH more worth your money than the same amount in like 8 DLC characters. It's not even close. The culture of DLC and microtransactions has just rotted this communities brains.

[ChaseHammer]

Seriously? This has to be explained? Did you never play the first game and then the second game? They are alike about as much as they are in the DB universe and are fighting based. What would the third be? New story, new engine, Oi.

[stuntrock]

This is a reverse psychology tactic so they will go off to make XV3 so the DLC for 2 can be priced cheaper. 😏

[MekaDovah]

Originally posted by MegaDuck:

Now add to the fact that It's been almost 2 full console cycles since 1 and two came out, and 7 years since 2 came out., and the advancements in tech since. Yeah, a X3 is much MUCH more worth your money than the same amount in like 8 DLC characters. It's not even close. The culture of DLC and microtransactions has just rotted this communities brains.

Except that's an assumption. It might be better, but it also might not be. There is no Xenoverse 3 yet so there is no evidence whatsoever to support any of that. And you're assuming a company that made a sequel even grindier than the the first and you're currently criticizing for milking its audience with DLC will make a sequel that isn't designed to just do the exact same thing?

Originally posted by ChaseHammer:

Seriously? This has to be explained? Did you never play the first game and then the second game? They are alike about as much as they are in the DB universe and are fighting based. What would the third be? New story, new engine, Oi.

Or you're refusing to elaborate because your bluff is being called and you have nothing. So you resort to what you have been doing this entire time: accusations that are actually confessions.

Personally, I would love a XV3 that's better than the previous 2, but it actually has to be better and that has to be demonstrably proven, not based on wishes and dreams. I go with what evidence I have and the first two games, while enjoyable, don't give me reason for much faith due to numerous sloppy and lazy design choices that persist to this day. It's a pattern I've seen before in other game franchises and I recognize it here too. I'd rather have a great XV3, but the existing evidence is not promising.

And if I'm wrong, that would be great. I would like nothing more. But until XV3 is actually here for us to see and judge, optimistic speculation is pointless. Just another way to lie to oneself and get one's hopes up.

[iamcorn]

Originally posted by MekaDovah:

Personally, I would love a XV3 that's better than the previous 2, but it actually has to be better and that has to be demonstrably proven, not based on wishes and dreams. I go with what evidence I have and the first two games, while enjoyable, don't give me reason for much faith due to numerous sloppy and lazy design choices that persist to this day. It's a pattern I've seen before in other game franchises and I recognize it here too. I'd rather have a great XV3, but the existing evidence is not promising.

And if I'm wrong, that would be great. I would like nothing more. But until XV3 is actually here for us to see and judge, optimistic speculation is pointless. Just another way to lie to oneself and get one's hopes up.

Pretty much the point of my first post in this topic worded out fully.

Speaking of, nobody actually answered the question I asked.

[MekaDovah]

Originally posted by iamcorn:

Pretty much the point of my first post in this topic worded out fully.

Speaking of, nobody actually answered the question I asked.

I also wanna point out another problem with speculative hype is it drives up expectations to a point that even if the game is legitimately good, it won't seem that way because no game can ever compete with what we imagine for ourselves. It's just setting ourselves up for disappointment.

For all of the game industry's faults, they can't be blamed for not delivering for on our own self-inflicted delusions.

Personally, I think the problem is ultimately impatience. People want a new thing now and can't wait. That impatience leads to all kinds of problems while not making a new game come out any faster. The better option is to let it go. If and when XV3 actually comes out, we can judge it for what it is, not what we want it to be. And if it never comes to pass or just doesn't measure up, well we're no worse off than we currently are and we save a few bucks.

[MegaDuck]

Originally posted by MekaDovah:

Originally posted by MegaDuck:

Now add to the fact that It's been almost 2 full console cycles since 1 and two came out, and 7 years since 2 came out., and the advancements in tech since. Yeah, a X3 is much MUCH more worth your money than the same amount in like 8 DLC characters. It's not even close. The culture of DLC and microtransactions has just rotted this communities brains.

Except that's an assumption. It might be better, but it also might not be. There is no Xenoverse 3 yet so there is no evidence whatsoever to support any of that. And you're assuming a company that made a sequel even grindier than the the first and you're currently criticizing for milking its audience with DLC will make a sequel that isn't designed to just do the exact same thing?

The evidence is in the technological growth my guy. An exact clone of the game with animations that aren't from outdated tech would be worth the price alone, but that is the absolute bottom of the barrel minimum and doesn't address things like engine changes that allow for more creative and interesting gameplay ideas. There comes a point in time where just remaking the game with newer generation technology alone would be a substantial improvement and xenoverse is past that point.


Like I said, the culture of microtransactions has just rotted this communities brains.

[Roland]

Originally posted by MegaDuck:

Originally posted by MekaDovah:

Except that's an assumption. It might be better, but it also might not be. There is no Xenoverse 3 yet so there is no evidence whatsoever to support any of that. And you're assuming a company that made a sequel even grindier than the the first and you're currently criticizing for milking its audience with DLC will make a sequel that isn't designed to just do the exact same thing?

The evidence is in the technological growth my guy.

That's silly as ♥♥♥♥, just look at Payday 3; you can't assume a sequel will be better.

I don't get why people WANT Xenoverse 3. I personally don't care to watch Goku say "I don't know who you are, but thanks for your help back there." from a 3rd camera angle.