DRAGON BALL XENOVERSE 2

DRAGON BALL XENOVERSE 2

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RCBlazer Apr 17, 2022 @ 1:06pm
Am I the Only One Who's Noticed Super Saiyan God is Useless in Raid Events?
Every single random who joins me is using Super Saiyan God, and I have no idea why. I have never seen one get anything above 2000 Attack Rating. My only guess is nobody understands how it works; I have seen most players spamming Ki Blast Ultimates with it, but it doesn't boost Ki Blast Ultimates, or any other Super or Ultimate attack in the game. It's a boost for basic combos, which still won't do much damage against Raid bosses.
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Neoxenok Apr 17, 2022 @ 1:17pm 
The only way I could imagine it being viable would be if you paired SSJ God with a Super Soul that boosts ki recovery (as it would stack w/SSJ God's boosted ki recovery).

The idea being that you're attacking and doing damage instead of nothing while charging but you should still be using super or ultimate attacks as normal as it should just be a replacement for using a charge skill. The DPS just isn't going to be there otherwise.

It's a similar idea to my frieza race raid preset that uses meditation and "charges" using his golden form charged ki blast in between super attacks with free full-charge revenge death balls every time an ally is KO'd for 10 seconds due to his super soul.

Otherwise - I don't know what, if anything, they're thinking.
Last edited by Neoxenok; Apr 17, 2022 @ 1:27pm
Canhoto Apr 17, 2022 @ 1:54pm 
God, will you ever stop moaning about it? Let people play however the hell they want.

Seriously. A guy hops on to screenshots to see if there are some nice mods to look at and every other post is you acting all high and mighty over people having fun with their game in the most useless game mode there is.

I get it, really. Raids are a team effort. But come on... Repeated raids, repeated rewards... Who even cares at this point about how every other person plays them, bar you? And what for? Some sense of superiority? In raids? I surely hope not because that would be even more senseless than it would if this was about PvP
RCBlazer Apr 17, 2022 @ 2:16pm 
Originally posted by Canhoto:
God, will you ever stop moaning about it? Let people play however the hell they want.

Seriously. A guy hops on to screenshots to see if there are some nice mods to look at and every other post is you acting all high and mighty over people having fun with their game in the most useless game mode there is.

I get it, really. Raids are a team effort. But come on... Repeated raids, repeated rewards... Who even cares at this point about how every other person plays them, bar you? And what for? Some sense of superiority? In raids? I surely hope not because that would be even more senseless than it would if this was about PvP

I'm sorry, is there a better way to tell the majority of the random people who spam Ultimates with the wrong Awoken that Super Vegeta would yield better results? I came up with a way to get #1 on the Raid Rankings Leaderboard reliably (barring 1 hit KO modders) as a way to get people to pay attention to me, and listen to what advice I have to give on the subject.

How are they ever going to learn how to play the game properly if someone who knows what they're doing wrong doesn't tell them? This isn't a casual/elitist thing, this is a "Here's some advice on how to do it correctly." thing.
Canhoto Apr 17, 2022 @ 2:55pm 
All of that to say that you didn't get what I'm saying... While slightly bragging about being #1 in what became the most pointless game mode we have.

What if those people don't care about being optimal? What if those people don't care about learning? What if those people are just trying to have fun with whatever they choose to use? What if those people don't care about paying attention to you?

Who are you to tell them they can't or shouldn't in the name of getting more points? Who are you to keep bashing at them for playing how they want?

Because sure as hell, if I'm doing a raid, I'm playing it the way I want to. Not the way you think is better.

Also, this isn't a "Here's some advice on how to do it correctly." thing. Going by what you say in your screenshots, it absolutely is you acting all superior over people that choose to play how they want. It's funny and sad at the same to see you try to act humble when the screenshots reek of arrogance.
RCBlazer Apr 17, 2022 @ 5:07pm 
Originally posted by Canhoto:
All of that to say that you didn't get what I'm saying... While slightly bragging about being #1 in what became the most pointless game mode we have.

What if those people don't care about being optimal? What if those people don't care about learning? What if those people are just trying to have fun with whatever they choose to use? What if those people don't care about paying attention to you?

Who are you to tell them they can't or shouldn't in the name of getting more points? Who are you to keep bashing at them for playing how they want?

Because sure as hell, if I'm doing a raid, I'm playing it the way I want to. Not the way you think is better.

Also, this isn't a "Here's some advice on how to do it correctly." thing. Going by what you say in your screenshots, it absolutely is you acting all superior over people that choose to play how they want. It's funny and sad at the same to see you try to act humble when the screenshots reek of arrogance.

Again, what do you want me to do, just stay silent and let them complain on this forum that the game is unfairly too hard, which is why they resort to modding?
Canhoto Apr 17, 2022 @ 6:14pm 
No one comes here and complain they mod because PvE is unfair and hard.
Last edited by Canhoto; Apr 17, 2022 @ 6:14pm
Demon Lord Apr 17, 2022 @ 6:39pm 
Originally posted by RCBlazer:
I'm sorry, is there a better way to tell the majority of the random people who spam Ultimates with the wrong Awoken that Super Vegeta would yield better results? I came up with a way to get #1 on the Raid Rankings Leaderboard reliably (barring 1 hit KO modders) as a way to get people to pay attention to me, and listen to what advice I have to give on the subject.

You've been at this long enough to have figured out that the players that are serious about making that leader board will take your advice. The ones who just want their 150k points for the item drops or just do raids for giggles are unlikely to care. It's just you repeat this ad nauseum... and honestly you're wasting more of your time than is justified. Post a video once, post a guide ONCE. Keep the link handy, and then provide it when someone ASKS YOU for advice. You'll get your point across that way without drawing unnecessary attention.

You seem to avoid the realization that you will NEVER EVER see EVERYONE play the raid to the full efficacy. And there are more reason to that than just blind spammy play styles,
Last edited by Demon Lord; Apr 17, 2022 @ 6:51pm
RCBlazer Apr 17, 2022 @ 6:50pm 
Originally posted by Canhoto:
No one comes here and complain they mod because PvE is unfair and hard.
I have seen forum posts where they have. I even replied to one and they told me in response to me saying I don't mod. "Have fun playing this game with OP CPU enemies!"

I see plenty of different builds in the raids, good and bad. My focus is on the commonly used bad ones. (Poisoning the raid boss, using Super Saiyan God, spamming Gigantic Roar, ect.) Also, if the raid event leaderboard doesn't mean anything to anyone, why am I not the only one to push the total score well past the 100,000 needed to get every available reward? It's possible they are farming for the random item drops (Artwork, CC Mascots, Custom Character Keys) but I genuinely believe some of them do in fact care about their high score.
Demon Lord Apr 17, 2022 @ 6:53pm 
It's your prerogative how to treat players when they play silly in your lobby. But there are better uses for your time as well when it comes to making your point clear.
Canhoto Apr 17, 2022 @ 7:07pm 
Originally posted by RCBlazer:
Originally posted by Canhoto:
No one comes here and complain they mod because PvE is unfair and hard.
I have seen forum posts where they have. I even replied to one and they told me in response to me saying I don't mod. "Have fun playing this game with OP CPU enemies!"

I see plenty of different builds in the raids, good and bad. My focus is on the commonly used bad ones. (Poisoning the raid boss, using Super Saiyan God, spamming Gigantic Roar, ect.) Also, if the raid event leaderboard doesn't mean anything to anyone, why am I not the only one to push the total score well past the 100,000 needed to get every available reward? It's possible they are farming for the random item drops (Artwork, CC Mascots, Custom Character Keys) but I genuinely believe some of them do in fact care about their high score.

Again... Even if they do care about their high score, even if they do push beyond the point threshold, or none of those things: It's their decision on how they play. You have absolutely nothing to do with it.

We can go around in circles all you want. The fact of the matter is that you have no right to impose on people's way of playing raids.
Last edited by Canhoto; Apr 17, 2022 @ 7:08pm
RCBlazer Apr 17, 2022 @ 7:27pm 
Originally posted by Canhoto:
Originally posted by RCBlazer:
I have seen forum posts where they have. I even replied to one and they told me in response to me saying I don't mod. "Have fun playing this game with OP CPU enemies!"

I see plenty of different builds in the raids, good and bad. My focus is on the commonly used bad ones. (Poisoning the raid boss, using Super Saiyan God, spamming Gigantic Roar, ect.) Also, if the raid event leaderboard doesn't mean anything to anyone, why am I not the only one to push the total score well past the 100,000 needed to get every available reward? It's possible they are farming for the random item drops (Artwork, CC Mascots, Custom Character Keys) but I genuinely believe some of them do in fact care about their high score.

Again... Even if they do care about their high score, even if they do push beyond the point threshold, or none of those things: It's their decision on how they play. You have absolutely nothing to do with it.

We can go around in circles all you want. The fact of the matter is that you have no right to impose on people's way of playing raids.

It's a good thing I'm not here to complain that PvP is too hard. I know what everyone's response would be to that, and it certainly won't be someone defending me for playing the game the way I want to.

I'll see about making a Steam guide to Raid Boss events. I'll explain Attack Rating, what works, and what doesn't, and will go into great detail as to why they don't work, and I don't want to see you make a single comment on it telling me to "Stop whining about the way people play!"
Demon Lord Apr 17, 2022 @ 7:43pm 
Originally posted by RCBlazer:
I'll see about making a Steam guide to Raid Boss events. I'll explain Attack Rating, what works, and what doesn't, and will go into great detail as to why they don't work, and I don't want to see you make a single comment on it telling me to "Stop whining about the way people play!"
Don't think about it. Just do it. I agree with your advice for the most part on raids, as well as experience the same annoyances. But you do have a habit of antagonizing people in the process - perhaps unintentionally - and it often has an effect opposite of what you want.

At some point you have to realize that you can't force people to do what you think they should, and it'll never 100% happen. It's the same for anyone that complains about PvP. Rational people that deal with such nonsense will either grow a thick skin and have fun regardless, or they won't and they have every option to not allow those people to interact with them if they're toxic.
Last edited by Demon Lord; Apr 17, 2022 @ 7:48pm
Demon Lord Apr 17, 2022 @ 7:56pm 
I'd also point out that your thread title is misleading, and doesn't actually address your message, making it more likely for people to focus on the title rather than the content. SSG is not the issue.

High raid scores are a product of damage ratios. Those ratios are affected by individual raid boss weaknesses and players relying on high-cost and low damage yield skill combinations.

That's the issue for anyone that cares about making a top score.

For everyone else it's kind of a non-issue because the CPU doesn't have thoughts or emotions to care. It just does whatever it's programmed to do.
Last edited by Demon Lord; Apr 17, 2022 @ 7:58pm
Canhoto Apr 17, 2022 @ 8:33pm 
Originally posted by RCBlazer:
Originally posted by Canhoto:

Again... Even if they do care about their high score, even if they do push beyond the point threshold, or none of those things: It's their decision on how they play. You have absolutely nothing to do with it.

We can go around in circles all you want. The fact of the matter is that you have no right to impose on people's way of playing raids.

It's a good thing I'm not here to complain that PvP is too hard. I know what everyone's response would be to that, and it certainly won't be someone defending me for playing the game the way I want to.

Well, PvP is in fact harder than PvE. It's not bots you're fighting, after all. And I fully accept that I'm being slightly hypocritical.

But the problem with that argument is that in PvP there needs to be balance. Which is something that, to an extent, can be more disregarded in PvE. No one cares how anyone fights a bot. Not the case in regards to a real person when a playstyle doesn't have a defined counterplay.

That balance can exist or not, depending on the decency of the people playing. Which is why you see more people being more adamant and vocal about how others play. Or at the very least just trash talking.

Nevertheless, it's not because a PvPer complains that a third party will change the way they play.

Originally posted by RCBlazer:
I'll see about making a Steam guide to Raid Boss events. I'll explain Attack Rating, what works, and what doesn't, and will go into great detail as to why they don't work, and I don't want to see you make a single comment on it telling me to "Stop whining about the way people play!"

Well, are you gonna whine and impose? Or are going to maintain a neutral composure and accept that despite your efforts, a lot of people will still ignore what you say? Because you not doing that is the main problem here.

What you want and what you get are two different things. Just like people playing raids...

But rest assured, I have no interest in that. Knock yourself out.
Raiden Apr 20, 2022 @ 8:27am 
High damage literally doesn't matter now with the new drops included in the raids.
You want to do the most repeats you can, so why even bother with doing optimal damage? You'll get there eventually from the hundreds of retries trying to get a single partner key or artwork or mascot.
Really, Raids are even more brainless now, since you only need to survive, I don't blame anyone for turning their brain off and not giving a damn, because why would you?
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