Modders are Cheaters...

[空.明]

YES or NO?

[RCBlazer]

I have seen people cheat online before (I even have a few video recordings of me catching players back in the day using illegal skills like Peeler Storm, Marbling Drop, and Light of Justice on their avatars) and people who would use Cheat Engine to 1-Hit KO the Raid bosses to cheat the high score Leaderboard in a pathetic attempt to get a rise out of me.

That said, it doesn't bother me anymore. It used to, but not anymore.

[Fists Of Fūri]

got a question about mods, If i download any and put them in the game, I'm still able to go online and play with others? asking this because I've heard there are a ton of PQ mods

[LovelyStarla]

No. Unless it interferes with other players. End of discussion

[Grand]

Originally posted by LovelyStarla:

No. Unless it interferes with other players. End of discussion

so when their cac use custom hair and cloth, then running around in public showed as naked + bald nonexistent head cac in other people pc and horribly disgust them. that is cheating. End of discussion. xD

[Pragmatic_Hero]

Originally posted by Canhoto:

No.

You know those 3.5 people that run around with SS3 hair? Modders. At no point do they have anything that gives them an advantage in a fight. All they have is a cosmetic alteration, which replaces a wig with the SS3 hair. Nothing more. That's not really a mod either. It's a save edit.

You know the two or three jerks that were running around with level 199 cac's before the latest patch? Not modders either. That was a save edit.

However none of these two things was accomplished through the conventional save editor most of us uses. It was something a bit harder to pull off and that someone could not hold the lid on.

Save editing is not modding.

Modding adds content to the game by way of adding modified files to it. Now in some games, that might mean you can still be online and play with other people. In this game you can't. You're offline and the only way to play online with other people is if they have the exact same modpack as you. So no, modders are not cheaters.

Cheating involves either using external software to gain advantage or editing less secure game files in order to have an advantage you're not supposed to have.

Typical sophistry from a defensive cheater.

[Demon Lord]

Originally posted by Pragmatic_Hero:

Originally posted by Canhoto:

No.

You know those 3.5 people that run around with SS3 hair? Modders. At no point do they have anything that gives them an advantage in a fight. All they have is a cosmetic alteration, which replaces a wig with the SS3 hair. Nothing more. That's not really a mod either. It's a save edit.

You know the two or three jerks that were running around with level 199 cac's before the latest patch? Not modders either. That was a save edit.

However none of these two things was accomplished through the conventional save editor most of us uses. It was something a bit harder to pull off and that someone could not hold the lid on.

Save editing is not modding.

Modding adds content to the game by way of adding modified files to it. Now in some games, that might mean you can still be online and play with other people. In this game you can't. You're offline and the only way to play online with other people is if they have the exact same modpack as you. So no, modders are not cheaters.

Cheating involves either using external software to gain advantage or editing less secure game files in order to have an advantage you're not supposed to have.

Typical sophistry from a defensive cheater.

It's not very "pragmatic" of you to label accurate statements like EAC preventing custom mods online, or pointing out third party software/exploits are cheats, as sophistry.

[Sandra Crimson]

Cosmetic SS3 hair and the time breaker masks I'm fine with , but illegal moves in an actual PVP match.... I will stare and most likely not give you a honest fair run back... Plus very high illegal stats.

[wizard master結城晶子リ]

Originally posted by 空.明:

YES or NO?

modding an cheating are 2 diffrent things

[Canhoto]

Originally posted by Pragmatic_Hero:

Typical sophistry from a defensive cheater.

I defended modders, not cheaters. And literally admitted to save editing to skip the grind in a following post. Which makes me a cheater, yes,, merely in the sense that used software to get stuff I'd get anyway. But if you think I'm touching this game's mind numbing PvE and its RNG to get all my stuff, specially when I only play PvP, you got another thing coming bud. I just wanna punch people with the moves I bought.

But if you want to disagree by spewing out asinine accusations about me instead of actually explaining why you feel differently, by all means: Do you. Just know that the cheaters in this game are usually the randoms with private profiles...

[Felix]

No.

Cheaters are players who use external software to gain an unfair advantage. Not all modders fit that description.

For example, if you only install mods like "SSJ5 Goku" and only play them in offline, there is literally no one else there for you to be gaining an advantage over.

Furthermore, some players modify their game so that they have hair types e.g. SSJ3 hair even in their base form. Since this mod is entirely cosmetic, you're not gaining any kind of advantage over whoever you're fighting.

Other players edit their save so that they can unlock all skills and clothes, and level up their character etc., but since that's all obtainable anyway through grinding and RNG, they're not gaining any advantage that a player who didn't save edit wouldn't eventually get too.

However, some modders set themselves above the current level cap. Some modders put unobtainable skills like Marbling Drop or Peeler Storm onto their preset. Some modders give themselves huge stats. Some modders give themselves unobtainable super souls used by PQ enemies which make you immortal. These modders are gaining advantage that requires external software, so these modders are cheaters.

[Demon Lord]

Originally posted by 空.明:

YES or NO?

While not directly a response to you. It is worth pointing out that you and I have done a few raids already while I used one of my modded cosmetic CaC's. And you haven't taken any exception to me having them. This reflects 98% of my experience online with people. I get very few if any complaints.

I've also been known by the community for several years to have my cosmetics. And have had pvp players add me to express appreciation for not using exploits in my gameplay. So yea..

You'll get one or two players that will hate people like me regardless because any deviation from the vanilla in their eyes is cheating. But there's that much larger 98% of players who only care that I'm not using an exploit to beat quests or obtain rank scores with exploits/cheats. As long as the mods used do not change the full game play I'd say those using them are fine.

[空.明]

Originally posted by Demon Lord <Rimuru>:

Originally posted by 空.明:

YES or NO?

While not directly a response to you. It is worth pointing out that you and I have done a few raids already while I used one of my modded cosmetic CaC's. And you haven't taken any exception to me having them. This reflects 98% of my experience online with people. I get very few if any complaints.

I've also been known by the community for several years to have my cosmetics. And have had pvp players add me to express appreciation for not using exploits in my gameplay. So yea..

You'll get one or two players that will hate people like me regardless because any deviation from the vanilla in their eyes is cheating. But there's that much larger 98% of players who only care that I'm not using an exploit to be quests or obtain rank scores with exploits/cheats.

Yup. :) I always enjoy having you around! I have no stand on this, just encouraging discussion. :)

[MekaDovah]

Originally posted by 空.明:

So, save editing to "save the grind" is cheating?

Personally, I think the grind itself is a different kind of cheat on the part of the developers: Making less content look like more by deliberately wasting our time with a grind that is excessive even as far as games built around grinding goes.

800 TP medals that you can only get 16 at a time at best for an item that's determined by RNG and has no way to prevent redundancies? Farming for hours or even days to get seven dragon balls all for a measily haircut? And that's just two examples.

What do we get out of all that time wasted? A false sense of "pride and accomplishment" for getting one meager equivalent of a toy? Especially in regards to the RNG delaying the acquisition of moves and super souls since how many of those are just going to be left untouched when people build for optimization?

Personally, I feel a major difference between when I play to honestly just have fun and when I have to "work" to "earn" something. Grinding has never been fun - only days upon weeks wasted before I get to a fun part that's over in less than an hour and it won't even feel that fun because of how burnt out I already am from the grinding.

And that's all before we add the additional cheat of artificial scarcity, time limited events, and other forms of FOMO.

If skipping the grind is a cheat, then I think it's a fair one to do because the game itself cheats by having that there in the first place, making all effort and skill pointless by reducing it to a waiting game.

[Queen HawlSera]

Nope, if anything modding the game is a consumer protection feature. FOMO sucks

[Subzero_Paradox]

If you're talking about save editing then no it's not. Xenoverse 2 has a terrible grinding process it's so boring to the point it's not even worth sinking all of those hours into for a shiny new move that'll probably be useless. If there is an option to skip the grind I'll take it, especially when I already did all that grinding on Console. Save editing isn't cheating unless you're using it to give yourself moves you cannot get legitimately