How are some of you able to watch Dragon Ball after GT?

[Lvl 10]

The whole series has devolved into rampant color palette swapping at this point:
Pink Evil Goku
Yellow Frieza
Blue Goku
Blue Vegeta
White Goku
Purple Vegeta
Orange Piccolo
Red Cell
Black Frieza
White Gohan

Did I miss anything? I probably did, because they randomly generate a new hair color every 2nd week.

The whole franchise is so creatively bankrupt at this point it's not even funny.

[Outcast]

How were you able to watch Dragon Ball GT?

Literally the entire series was palette swapped.

[DigitalTamerAkira]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Lvl 10:

The whole series has devolved into rampant color palette swapping at this point:
Pink Evil Goku
Yellow Frieza
Blue Goku
Blue Vegeta
White Goku
Purple Vegeta
Orange Piccolo
Red Cell
Black Frieza
White Gohan

Did I miss anything? I probably did, because they randomly generate a new hair color every 2nd week.

The whole franchise is so creatively bankrupt at this point it's not even funny.

cause anything that came out after is better then GT

[Richard]

Opprinnelig skrevet av JanikOokami:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Lvl 10:

The whole series has devolved into rampant color palette swapping at this point:
Pink Evil Goku
Yellow Frieza
Blue Goku
Blue Vegeta
White Goku
Purple Vegeta
Orange Piccolo
Red Cell
Black Frieza
White Gohan

Did I miss anything? I probably did, because they randomly generate a new hair color every 2nd week.

The whole franchise is so creatively bankrupt at this point it's not even funny.

cause anything that came out after is better then GT

so og db and dbz bad then? gg super not even that good nor is gt.

[Craig]

Dragonball since Z went to Namek has ALWAYS been about escalating forms and palette swaps. You are a fake fan because if you disliked what you mention in the OP you would stop at Dragonball and not even go to Z or GT/Super.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Wobbly God Richard:

Opprinnelig skrevet av JanikOokami:

cause anything that came out after is better then GT

so og db and dbz bad then? gg super not even that good nor is gt.

Jesus you people cannot read they did not imply DB or Z were bad, they're just stating they think everything after GT is bad. Don't be stupid.

[[88th] ColPresumptuous]

As someone that started with DB at the very beginning (the Japanese anime and books) and basically stopped with DBZ at the end of the Buu saga... must admit, everything after that seems out of place lol.

Must admit though, i do like Beerus (love me a cat) and the Tournament of Power... the rest makes me scratch my head, im assuming due to most of that being done after Toriyama 'retired'.

Op does have a valid point though... the palette swapping hair really did get out of hand.

[DigitalTamerAkira]

to be more accurate. OG DB DBZ where fine. GT was bad, Super (manga only) was good. the anime of super choosing to nerf goku and vegeta from god forms was silly.

goku in BOG went from ssj3 goku ( buu saga power) loosing to beerus. to suddenly after god ritural his base form being stronger then that ssj3 goku version.

to in super anime needing to go ssj against frost and most universes this would imply that cale kefla frost at least in UV6 are above majin buu

[Doomguy]

how were you able to watch:
- Mustached Vegeta?
- SS4 Goku struggling to lift a building?
- A SS transformation that also apparently involves magic since it changes your clothes?
- Random guys from space who are just stronger than Majinbu (Rirudo)?
- And Goku as a kid being able to kick his ass like nothing?

I'm sure I'm missing a lot more, I was just a kid...

[Arkalyne]

DBS could have been better directed and more enjoyable to watch.

I really think the SSJGod was underutilized, it should have been a power that wakes up in times of great danger and the SSJSSBlue should never have existed.

Goku and Vegeta would have had this SSJGod as an alternative to SSJ4, and then begin to develop transformations that have nothing to do with saiyans, because they're exploring divinity and beyond to become stronger

I really like the ultra instinct for goku, the fact that he is in a state of tranquility and that a mortal like him accesses a divine transformation.. the same for Vegeta, his transformation into a God of Destruction it is something that suits him well

Same for Frieza, but it is not explained, he has a power which is similar to the divine

It's cool te see them have new powers because they kinda fight gods so

But yes, the new transformations are for business, sell products, that's marketing that's all, even if the story is lacking of DBZ vibe, it's sometimes actually enjoyable to watch

[MekaDovah]

I liked some parts of Super, but not all of it. Just tune in now and then to watch a fun fight. Though I do agree the glut of super forms has made the entire concept stale and boring to me. By the time they got to Ultra Instinct, I no longer cared. I'm not a fan of SS4, but at least it looked like more thought went into it.

That said, to each their own. I will never understand why people seem to think everyone has to like exactly what they like and demand justification whenever there's a difference. People like different things. That's just how people work. There's no magic winning formula of perfection in entertainment that's better than everything else or there'd be no point in being creative to begin with.

[Neoxenok]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Lvl 10:

The whole franchise is so creatively bankrupt at this point it's not even funny.

There are a lot of good points regarding both GT and Super and a lot of bad things about both, but saying that super is trash because of "palette swaps" is disingenuous.

Super has a lot of issues but it's still better overall than GT. To its credit, GT took a lot of risks and had a lot of great ideas but zero ability to utilize those great ideas (the tuffles' revenge against the saiyans, the overuse of the dragon balls creating the dragons, etc.) Super started off with a very poor retelling of battle of gods and resurrection F and the series as a whole took few creative risks but the writing took a serious improvement around the U6 tournament arc. GT improved significantly starting with the Baby arc, but not by nearly the same degree. GT at least didn't have the issue of throwing out a new form every time someone sneezed, but both GT and Super had the issue of breaking out SSJ4 at virtually every opportunity. However, Super did far more with blue than GT did with SSJ4 as such that blue, as just a palette swap of SSJ1, still looks and acts differently than SSJ1 whereas SSJ4 didn't really do much other than act like SSJ1/2/3 but stronger and fewer drawbacks.

Also, colors aside, you don't really have an argument for any of the new forms (blue and rose aside) for being "just palette swaps". MUI/Beast is not "goku/gohan white" for the same reason that black isn't "just an evil goku."

While I don't hate GT or Super as much as some people seem to want to do and I have no intention to bash people for liking what they like, whining about "palette swaps" for all those forms is just wrong because it's not even accurate. It just seems like you're trying to bash DB Super just to bash DB Super based on faulty reasoning. It's like saying Avatar the Last Airbender was stupid because Aang's avatar form was just swirly bits and glowy eyes and had no creativity. A LOT of transformations in fiction, especially in shonen can be described as "just a palette swap" or "just a tattoo" or "just a furry form" or "just changes clothing" etc etc etc.

It's not a valid criticism.

[Mrbud420 💩]

GT came out before Super and is 100% better in all ways so not hard to watch GT after Super.

[Soulkey]

For me the series ended with DBZ.
GT was garbage and Super is just creatively bankrupt like OP said,
Now everyone just color swaps and becomes the strongest person of the week.

[Senpai]

Opprinnelig skrevet av 和Hono:

DBS could have been better directed and more enjoyable to watch.

I really think the SSJGod was underutilized, it should have been a power that wakes up in times of great danger and the SSJSSBlue should never have existed.

Goku and Vegeta would have had this SSJGod as an alternative to SSJ4, and then begin to develop transformations that have nothing to do with saiyans, because they're exploring divinity and beyond to become stronger

I really like the ultra instinct for goku, the fact that he is in a state of tranquility and that a mortal like him accesses a divine transformation.. the same for Vegeta, his transformation into a God of Destruction it is something that suits him well

Same for Frieza, but it is not explained, he has a power which is similar to the divine

It's cool te see them have new powers because they kinda fight gods so

But yes, the new transformations are for business, sell products, that's marketing that's all, even if the story is lacking of DBZ vibe, it's sometimes actually enjoyable to watch

no I think Super Saiyan Blue shouldve existed but I think it was introduced to early, they should've transformed into Super Saiyan Blue in like The Goku Black Arc, like when Goku Black revealed that he killed Goku's entire family in a different timeline, that would've been a perfect moment to introduce super saiyan blue

[MekaDovah]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Chainsaw Man:

no I think Super Saiyan Blue shouldve existed but I think it was introduced to early, they should've transformed into Super Saiyan Blue in like The Goku Black Arc, like when Goku Black revealed that he killed Goku's entire family in a different timeline, that would've been a perfect moment to introduce super saiyan blue

Such moments still lose their impact when they're done over and over again. We saw it with Super Saiyan. We saw it again with Super Saiyan 2. Think Trunks had his own take on it.

Transforming, for any reason, is repetitive and done to death at this point.

[Lienhart]

I think all of us original Dragon Ball or Z fans are quite old (late 20s to late 30s.)

We probably watched this stuff in childood; Dragon Ball, for me, was around 6 years old (Japanese version.) Z was end of elementary to high school.

I think Z's target audience was somewhere between early teens to young adults. Some of the themes I find ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hilarious now like....

Piccolo is a projection of Asian parenting. Gohan gets tossed to the wild, he's either gonna make it or die. Then Piccolo repeatedly beats the ♥♥♥♥ out of him for him to get stronger lol

The whole "suffer in order to get stronger" theme is something we learn as we grow up; the more suffering you can take, the more powerful you become (those who make the most money have suffered to get there, whether or not the haters agree.)

Vegeta seppukuing is something most Asian fathers would do. And again, this goes with Asian parenting because Vegeta is one harsh father, up there with Piccolo lol

I tried Super and wasn't sure if I had outgrown the thematic lessons or if they were targeting a younger crowd (I think it's this tbh.) I got a feeling this applies to most of us here too.

I find the new movies fun to watch, just not Super.