Super Saiyan Blue VS Super Saiyan 4

[𝕁𝕒𝕔𝕜𝕝𝕖]

Since everyone wants to argue about it, heres a topic about it. Who would win? Don't talk about if its canon or if it would ever come true. I'm asking what if they did fight.

[Reizo Ryuu]

...Ssj isn't a level of power, it's a multiplier on the base form...
buu arc ssj3 goku is obviously much weaker than zamasu arc ssj3 goku because his base form has exponentionally risen in strength.

But seeing as how we don't know what the multiplier for SSJB is, it's impossible to tell if it's a stronger form than SSJ4 or not.

[Deku Scrub]

Първоначално публикувано от Rollout:

Gods are stronger than men, or in this case, monkeys.

Super Saiyan Blue is using the power of Super Saiyan God in conjunction with Super Saiyan, thus rising them up to the level of Gods.

SSJ4, while powerful, is stil just basic power and probably can't touch the level of the Gods.

Again, mutations.
Trunks' mutation let him take on Blackarot and Zamasu without being completely obliterated.
As well as Vegeta's SSJ2 mutation rivaling Goku's SSJ3.
As things stand right now, which form is stronger is really up in the air.

EDIT:This brings up an interesting question about Vegeta's bloodline and genetics, but that's another topic.

[Timmy]

Първоначално публикувано от Senbon Kaguya:

Since everyone wants to argue about it, heres a topic about it. Who would win? Don't talk about if its canon or if it would ever come true. I'm asking what if they did fight.

Super Sayain 4 is about 1000x cooler than Super Sayain Blue. For Super Sayain 4 you grow fur all over your body and your hair grows out. For Super Sayain Blue your hair just turns blue and you get some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ aura around you. Super Sayain 4 is objectively better than Super Sayain Blue. Power levels don't mean ♥♥♥♥ it's about what looks cooler.

[Oodie]

Първоначално публикувано от Timmy:

Първоначално публикувано от Senbon Kaguya:

Since everyone wants to argue about it, heres a topic about it. Who would win? Don't talk about if its canon or if it would ever come true. I'm asking what if they did fight.

Super Sayain 4 is about 1000x cooler than Super Sayain Blue. For Super Sayain 4 you grow fur all over your body and your hair grows out. For Super Sayain Blue your hair just turns blue and you get some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ aura around you. Super Sayain 4 is objectively better than Super Sayain Blue. Power levels don't mean ♥♥♥♥ it's about what looks cooler.

This man gets it.

You gotta look good to feel good.

[Matthew]

SSB is stronger than gt but gt characters are stronger

[Tsuruugi]

Първоначално публикувано от Oodie:

Първоначално публикувано от 30SecondHero:

...and this is clearly why you think Super Saiyan Ki is stronger than God Ki...?

Do YOU know how strong god ki is? Didn't think so.

Um... yes, currently I do know its stronger than Super Saiyan Ki. And that your reason for thinking that Super Saiyan 4 is stronger than Super Saiyan Blue isn't yet valid.

Първоначално публикувано от Redblaze27:

Though non-canon, Beerus does state that SS4 feels similar, but different to SSG in the original Xenoverse.

LOL Maybe Whis and Beerus seen when Goku and Vegeta got that transformation. I was taken back when I seen him mention that lol

[Redblaze27]

Първоначално публикувано от Goku Super Saiyan Blue X10:

SSB is stronger than gt but gt characters are stronger

Pretty much in regards to Goku.

If we are purely comparing forms, Blue is on top (I believe Rose to be a variation to Blue). If Dragon Ball Super has taught up anything, transformations arent the sole factor in who is stronger.

[WentHulk]

I personally believe they are equal in power.

[Null_User]

This necro is probably stronger than both.

[brawler]

Първоначално публикувано от Hanuke:

This necro is probably stronger than both.

Only hyper ultra mega superduper saiyan 66 Vegeerus can save us

[Redblaze27]

Първоначално публикувано от wentbrown:

I personally believe they are equal in power.

Blue is considerably stronger, as it is the super saiyan to super saiyan god's 'base form'

[evil wizard cat]

Design: SSJ4>SSJB
Strength: most likely SSJB>SSJ4

I will say that SSJB is my least favorite form due to just how pathetic the design is. There was so much potential for a badass design with it and instead they just changed SSJ hue and called it a day. What a joke honestly

[Gosen]

Names in DBS are lame, as well as designs. Maybe they are tribute to generals from RR, like Black, Blue, Silver, White, Rose, etc. Design is also lame, it's just ssj with blue hair. Power is not that great also, since Freezer trained only few months and he outclassed Blue, which is supposed to be god, lol. Plot holes. SSJ4 could survive high temperatures and were obliterating everything until god-like strongest evil Shenron. Blue was already obsolete, when it came up, so they had to make Vegeta Indigo and Witcher Goku to make up for it, lol.

I guess that in DBS2 we will still see Goku Orange or Vegeta Purple, but that's just logical conclusion, based on what was going on until now. Maybe Gohan will unlock another potential and change into Gohan Silver, then Cell comes out of nowhere like Freezer and becomes Super Ultra Perfect Cell Platinium, rematch against Silver Gohan.

[Vazkulator]

Първоначално публикувано от phoenix:

Design: SSJ4>SSJB
Strength: most likely SSJB>SSJ4

I will say that SSJB is my least favorite form due to just how pathetic the design is. There was so much potential for a badass design with it and instead they just changed SSJ hue and called it a day. What a joke honestly

fully agree with you

"ascending god form"
hold hands with people who share saiyan genetics, doesnt even matter if theyre pure blooded saiyans.

"ascending ss4"
turn oozaru
oozaru turning super
golden oozaru turning back into the more "controlled form"

extremely pathetic writing of the dragon ball super, the ascensions just comes without effort, not to mention how the female saiyans turn into the "Legendary super form" and ss2 within days since they first turned super

"thinking of goten & little trunks" at least its logical to them since they were born from already ascended saiyans and were striving to ascend past the ascended level, of course they had the genetical potential to ascend at an early age.

however all the new saiyans from the super saga = PURE BS, amateur writing, completely illogical to how things turned out with their ascension(s) so extremely quickly, not even their saiyan king was ascended on their home planet.

dont even get me started on how stupid the god form is, we still dont even know how vegeta got "blue" clearly dont even seem to need the "god" ritual to turn blue, so does vegeta not have the "fire glow god aura" ?

[Nadia]

Първоначално публикувано от Vazkulator:

dont even get me started on how stupid the god form is, we still dont even know how vegeta got "blue" clearly dont even seem to need the "god" ritual to turn blue, so does vegeta not have the "fire glow god aura" ?

He has the Form in the Manga.