So, is UI an actual power up, or just a body limit removal?

[Ghost of Razgriz]

From my understanding UI is the removal of active body commands. The body reacts to incoming danger automatically, instead of waiting for commands from the brain.

Now, does it give a power boost in the traditional sense? The various Super Saiyan forms give the user power multipliers over the previous form, so would UI top Blue in terms of power output, or just reaction time?

[Null_User]

I personally don't know the rationale behind Dragon ball's version of Ultra instinct. Transformations give power multipliers because they ARE transformations. MUI's explanation is, as you said, just making the body take care of offense and defense by itself without any thoughtful mind input which would slow it down. By that definition, it shouldn't offer a power up. It should be all about efficiency and reaction speed. But somewhere, these guys tossed in a power multiplier MUCH greater than that of KSSB for no reason than to give Goku yet another "form".

It would have made more sense if we got instead SSB2. But I guess it wouldn't have looked as flashy.

[Bottom of the Well]

From what i understood as told by whis its unlimited power!!!!! for a few seconds apparently while you have auto dodge/attack

[Lunatic Rhey]

Originally posted by Hanuke:

I personally don't know the rationale behind Dragon ball's version of Ultra instinct. Transformations give power multipliers because they ARE transformations. MUI's explanation is, as you said, just making the body take care of offense and defense by itself without any thoughtful mind input which would slow it down. By that definition, it shouldn't offer a power up. It should be all about efficiency and reaction speed. But somewhere, these guys tossed in a power multiplier MUCH greater than that of KSSB for no reason than to give Goku yet another "form".

It would have made more sense if we got instead SSB2. But I guess it wouldn't have looked as flashy.

Thing is, SSB2 would have made sense and all, but it also would have started becoming a pattern which the writers may have thought would seem unoriginal(although Vegeta basically did a SSB2) UI is less like a power multiplier form, and more like astate of mind that allows you to access every last ounce of your potential all at once for as long as it lasts. Its like how even in Blue form, not every hit is the hardest hit they can possibly do, they still have to like, think about and wind up their power attacks but UI it just all becomes second nature. I have mixed feelings about UI, because while I think it kind of causes a gross imbalance in the shows powerlevels, its also kind of based off of real psychology and if you could imagine being in a state of being where you can istantaneously take the optimal course of action in any given situation simply as second nature thats pretty cool.

[Null_User]

That's the thing. The real version of UI is not a transformation. It's a sate of mind and body where you have all your available resources to be used pretty much on it's own. But here in DBS, it's treated as a transformation with multipliers and such. Why I say it adds multipliers? Because base form Goku, no matter what, shouldn't be stronger than even SSJ Goku. Now I'm not talking about the first SSJ Goku against the last DBS base Goku. I mean, if the last DBS Goku popped a regular SSJ transformation, he should be stronger than his base form because of the base form X 50 multiplier SSJ comes with. But again, while UI has roots on real life stuff, it is not a bit by bit version of it. Goku's UI is, in my opinion and for all intends and purposes, a transformation with all it's implied multipliers and such. His hair and eyes do go white, after all.

As for SSB2, I agree it shouldn't have been the correct thing to add to the story, as it would be viewed with contempt by fans. As for Vegeta, I feel his last SSB form is more like the old Mastered Super Saiyan Goku achieved at the Cell saga. They added the different glow just for show.

[Lou the Lou]

Vegita's SSB power-up is similar to the power-up used against Cell, when he wasn't yet SS2, but was at another stage above regular SS, referred to as Super Saiyan Second Grade. It's basically a SSB1.5; "full power SSB".

The official name for it is Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Shinka.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_God_SS%E3%83%BBShinka

As for Ultra Instinct, Weis does describe it as being the ability for the body to react automatically - but he says nothing about power level. We can't assume anything from that; there could be a power increase, or there could not be. Given what happens in the anime, it's safe to assume that the automatic movements of UI come paired with a significant power increase. I hesitate to say "limitless", but that's what seems to be implied. Limitlessly powerful, that is - there's obviously a time limit.

[Lunatic Rhey]

Originally posted by Hanuke:

That's the thing. The real version of UI is not a transformation. It's a sate of mind and body where you have all your available resources to be used pretty much on it's own. But here in DBS, it's treated as a transformation with multipliers and such. Why I say it adds multipliers? Because base form Goku, no matter what, shouldn't be stronger than even SSJ Goku. Now I'm not talking about the first SSJ Goku against the last DBS base Goku. I mean, if the last DBS Goku popped a regular SSJ transformation, he should be stronger than his base form because of the base form X 50 multiplier SSJ comes with. But again, while UI has roots on real life stuff, it is not a bit by bit version of it. Goku's UI is, in my opinion and for all intends and purposes, a transformation with all it's implied multipliers and such. His hair and eyes do go white, after all.

As for SSB2, I agree it shouldn't have been the correct thing to add to the story, as it would be viewed with contempt by fans. As for Vegeta, I feel his last SSB form is more like the old Mastered Super Saiyan Goku achieved at the Cell saga. They added the different glow just for show.

Yeah, I was thinking about that too, But the only semi-reasonable(and im reaching) explination I can come up with is that the MUI lets him still access all the power he might have been able to conjure up using SSBKK or whatever have you, since technically on some bs level that power is still dormant within him, but then also lets him go beyond even that cause better reflexes and what-have-you. I mean, I cant blame them for trying something theres only so much you can do with ppl punching one another XD