Shouldn't transformations of Saiyans drain Stamina instead of Ki?

[LegendCZ]

Hello, i have around 100 hours in the game, and i had one 80 character as a Sayian, and now i have 70+ Sayian and 90 Human, and i am like, in middle of battle "Why i use my Ki in Blue? When in Show and Manga, everyone says those forms are about stamina!" ...

.... I mean, Ki is way better manageable, sure, but why not make Saiyan forms drain Stamina BUT! Make Vanish free, because of how "Faster" and "Stronger" you are in this form.

I feel like Stanima should be main source for Transformations, and not Ki, just my opinion, Kaioken does it really well!

[Null_User]

I suppose it's because they didn't want to make it like kaioken, which does drain stamina and makes some defensive moves free.

[Lunatic Rhey]

No. Blue actually increses the rate I regain stamina, which lets me keep fighting even longer, and gives me more room for error. Ki is a completely renewable resource that any kind of drain can be easily mitigated for. Its perfect just the way it is. If it drained youd also constantly be falling out of it without being able to do a thing about it.

A lot of people like to cite the show as to why Blue should work in reverse, but in actuality comparing the games version of ki and stamina to the the show doesnt really work, because they arent the same units. In the show, ki and stamina are almost the same thing, or at least a lot closer intertwined. The game makes them two very distinct parameters, but it can all be summed up as the characters "Avaiable Energy" or whatever you want to call it. But it makes it so Ki and Stamina are basically two parts of the same thing, so having it drain ki in the game would be the games version of controlling it, because having it drain your stamina would reduce you to zero Avaialble Energy which sounds even less like a controlled form, doesnt it?

[Sandra Crimson]

That would be weird if it would drain stamina... where is kaioken is the only 1 should drain stamina.

[iamcorn]

I assume if that had happened it'd at least draw attention to other racial transformations that drains stam too.

Because people who think the Ki drain is unmanagable have no idea how much worse it COULD be.

[LegendCZ]

Well my point is, that if you have diferent form, ale the time it is about Stamina, in Show i can see, that Stamina is also diferent from Ki, I.E. Vegeta is beaten up, and out of stamina, while he can still fire K.I. blast to give some energy to Kakaroto, or when there is fight againts Vegeta in Sayians arc, Gokus is drained, and near Dead, but he still manages to use some attacks like Kamehameha, for me in show even Ki and Stamina are two diferent things.

I don't complain, this is alot easier this way to manage, i just said, Stamina drain would be more true to the show, and feel much more accurate to me personaly.

[Lunatic Rhey]

Im a Saiyan so its not my problem, but I think its totally unfair some racials drain stam, because it basically means you never get to stay in that form, and can basically only use it at the very end of a fight. Kaioken it makes sense for like someone else said, because that skill specifically makes you unable to fight after using it. Also, Im pretty sure I explained how draining stamina isnt more true to the show, since it just "uses energy" to maintain Blue form, it doesnt make you unable to fight. Like, notice how when Goku falls out of Blue, hell sit and catch his breath and then be good again? Pretend thats charging Ki, and suddenly it all makes sense.

Or dont listen to a thing I say, because Im just a random person who couldnt possibly have any useful insight and everyone just needs to know that the game is wrong.

[West Dragon]

Ki in dragonball is literally energy. It is the energy of all living beings and only those consciously aware of its existence and its presence are capable of calling upon it and forging it into external physical forms both visible and invisible.

In dragonball, Roshi commented on ki usage, stating that it is very dangerous because if one were to use too much at once, it would kill the person as they will have drained themselves of all of the energy that sustains their life.

Much like physical stamina, ki can be replenished through rest, food, and drink. And so the two are often confused with one another.

[Null_User]

Remember that there are two factors to consider when making a game out of an anime. First and foremost, game balance. It's the one reason why some characters can stand up to others in a game fight, like Raditz against SSB Vegeto, and actually have a fair shot at winning, rather than what would happen in the canon story if those two were to fight. Or why Super saiyan forms are just a small percentage stronger than base forms in game, while in canon, they should be several times stronger.

Same happens when deciding what is draining or not in a transformation. When they made kaioken and some racial stamina draining forms, they knew these were very situational and temporary buffs, not too different from reinforcements but far more taxing. They gave us a super soul to fix Kaioken a bit, but we all know that people tend to stay away from forms that drain anything, and as such, we see less kaioken and Purification builds than any others around here. Couple with that, saiyan characters are played by a lot of users. I can assume it's one of the favorite races. So, imagine the outrage if they made SSB drain stamina..

[Lunatic Rhey]

Originally posted by Hanuke:

Remember that there are two factors to consider when making a game out of an anime. First and foremost, game balance. It's the one reason why some characters can stand up to others in a game fight, like Raditz against SSB Vegeto, and actually have a fair shot at winning, rather than what would happen in the canon story if those two were to fight. Or why Super saiyan forms are just a small percentage stronger than base forms in game, while in canon, they should be several times stronger.

Same happens when deciding what is draining or not in a transformation. When they made kaioken and some racial stamina draining forms, they knew these were very situational and temporary buffs, not too different from reinforcements but far more taxing. They gave us a super soul to fix Kaioken a bit, but we all know that people tend to stay away from forms that drain anything, and as such, we see less kaioken and Purification builds than any others around here. Couple with that, saiyan characters are played by a lot of users. I can assume it's one of the favorite races. So, imagine the outrage if they made SSB drain stamina..

Yeah, Im glad you made some of these points, because I can put some real number to how ridiculous "Making things true to the anime" would be. Base Super Saiyan is 50x your normal power level. Okay, well then I want 50x my characters stats, cause thats how it is in the show. Super Saiyan two is 50^2. Obviously, Blue goes even well beyond that. So I really hope that people can start to see why broading your imagination is really helpful here, and how claiming that it isnt "like the show enough" isnt always a valid complaint, or even a negative thing.

[Null_User]

Indeed, in a semi related note, I didn't really like how some of the lesser roster characters like Appule and Saibamen get such ridiculously low defense values. I mean, didn't Nappa say that a Saibaman was more or less at the same power levels as Raditz? Still, Sometimes I want to simply have fun picking a random character and trying a PQ, but those are pretty much unplayable in the name of making them more true to canon. THAT's one of the reasons why we need character balancing in games.

[wizard master結城晶子リ]

Originally posted by Legend - CZ:

Hello, i have around 100 hours in the game, and i had one 80 character as a Sayian, and now i have 70+ Sayian and 90 Human, and i am like, in middle of battle "Why i use my Ki in Blue? When in Show and Manga, everyone says those forms are about stamina!" ...

.... I mean, Ki is way better manageable, sure, but why not make Saiyan forms drain Stamina BUT! Make Vanish free, because of how "Faster" and "Stronger" you are in this form.

I feel like Stanima should be main source for Transformations, and not Ki, just my opinion, Kaioken does it really well!

if ur sick of the ki drain use meditation or divinity unleashed or FU super soul witch also stop it so long as your health is higher then 70%

[LegendCZ]

Originally posted by wizard master結城晶子リト:

Originally posted by Legend - CZ:

Hello, i have around 100 hours in the game, and i had one 80 character as a Sayian, and now i have 70+ Sayian and 90 Human, and i am like, in middle of battle "Why i use my Ki in Blue? When in Show and Manga, everyone says those forms are about stamina!" ...

.... I mean, Ki is way better manageable, sure, but why not make Saiyan forms drain Stamina BUT! Make Vanish free, because of how "Faster" and "Stronger" you are in this form.

I feel like Stanima should be main source for Transformations, and not Ki, just my opinion, Kaioken does it really well!

if ur sick of the ki drain use meditation or divinity unleashed or FU super soul witch also stop it so long as your health is higher then 70%

NO i am not, Ki is EASILY manageable for me, i use "Time to dismantle you androids" and i use Transformation as a last resort, thanks to this super i have Damage Recived Boost nulified by SSB and i also have my Ki drain reduced A LOT, so this is not a complain, i just was asking on your opinions on forms draining Ki instead of Stamina, which Stamina makes a bit more sense for me.

[Parsnip]

I think the reason behind it is because it would be annoying as hell and nobody would use it. Stamina is your most valuable resource. Run out of it and you're done.

I used to think that it doesn't make sense to drain ki, since it's supposed to be all about ki control, but I like to think the ki control part is the player's responsibility. And with skills like Divinity Unleashd and Meditation, that's really easy. You just need to fight a little less agressively and stop to apply said skills after sending your opponent flying when you feel you might run out of ki. For me (this is against AI, not sure if it will work on pvp), the best way to do this is after a successful x+a launch, a short launching combo, or Pressure Sign (especially useful if they're escaping and spamming normal ki blasts).

Of course it helps to have 7 or more ki bars to begin with.

[LegendCZ]

Originally posted by Parsnip:

I think the reason behind it is because it would be annoying as hell and nobody would use it. Stamina is your most valuable resource. Run out of it and you're done.

I used to think that it doesn't make sense to drain ki, since it's supposed to be all about ki control, but I like to think the ki control part is the player's responsibility. And with skills like Divinity Unleashd and Meditation, that's really easy. You just need to fight a little less agressively and stop to apply said skills after sending your opponent flying when you feel you might run out of ki. For me (this is against AI, not sure if it will work on pvp), the best way to do this is after a successful x+a launch, a short launching combo, or Pressure Sign (especially useful if they're escaping and spamming normal ki blasts).

Of course it helps to have 7 or more ki bars to begin with.

For me i fill up all my 8 bars, trigger transformation, land my skills, and then turn back to recharge my Ki, if i have sould enabled, my Ki can recover even with SSB transformation in some cases.