Racial Diversity + How to include more Saiyan forms

[Nirvash]

It is my opinion, aswell as the opinions of alot of people, that our custom characters should be some means, have access to more Saiyan forms. Saiyans already pointlessly have 3 transformations which are actually all just 1 transformation with different poses, and only 1 of them escelates all the way to SSJ3. So in total, if you count all the possible variations, we have 6 transformations for Saiyans, +2 universal ones. Meanwhile every other race only has 1, and most of them are kinda garbage.

Now we Saiyan users want to ascend to Rage, God, Blue, Berserk. If not for the power fantasy of reaching new heights, then just to achieve a sense of immersion. I know I and many others when the game were new, thought it was really weird and dumb thematically that we, only able to go SSJ2-3, were able to take on Blue Goku and Vegeta at the same time. Then in the very next mission do the same thing versus Whis and Beerus. So even if it was just a reskin of SSJ3 stats, people want the visual so it makes more sense. Mods aside.

But then what do we do with other races? They're already so skimp on transformations as is, what should we do with them? Well I think there is a solution here. If not here in XV2, then hopefully for XV3. Since we have the new non Xenoverse game coming out soon, it should be a longer gap from XV2 to 3 than 1 to 2, which means there should be time to innovate. So the idea is, let's optimize current transformations, and add more to close the gap! But let's not end there. Also let each character pick which SUBrace they are. Then you pick a Saiyan, you then get an option of Pure Saiyan, Human Saiyan mix, and U6 Saiyan. Take other races and do the same thing when applicable, to give each race more stat variation without transformations.




So first for Saiyans, get all this out of the way first.
*Subraces: Pure Blood (Universe 7) Saiyan, Human Saiyan Hybrid, U6 Saiyan.
-Remove redundant transformations. Future Super Saiyan, and Super Vegeta are gone. Stats can be figured a different way. Just SSJ1, 2, 3.
-High level + optional difficult mission for god transformations. One for God, then a harder one for Blue(+ Kaioken). Then, an unreasonably difficult one to unlock a version which lets you continually switch between God and Blue akin to episode 104.
-Have Berserk and I guess Berserk 2? (when you turn full Broly) unlocked in a similar manner, with optional difficult missions. People want the Broly power and bulk.
-SS Rage done through late-game main story as a between option from SSJ3 and God.
-SSJ4 mission during GT Time Patroller situation. Maybe hit with the Blutz Waves, or learning to control your Oozaru form. An alternate to the God powers.
-Have a late-late game mission where you play Rock Paper Scissors with Goku before he goes to face present-Zamasu (thus Goku not fighting him), leading to OC Black, with a completely original Black outfit for custom characters, and have OC Black turn Rose, thus unlocking that outfit and form upon completing the mission. Also giving you an official way to play the Black You! (that sounds bad without context!)
-Oozaru, Ultra Super Saiyan, and Golden Oozaru just for fun. They might be good, but more giants are fun.
-Finally, have a level-cap only mission to unlock whatever Limit Breaker is, because people will want that once it's out. Marketing!

Next, Humans. Less options, natrually, but still more than we think.
*Subraces: Human, Android, 3-eye (Tien), Demon (Original Dragon Ball type characters)
-Bulk up form ala Roshi, acts like you would expect an Ultra Super Saiyan to work, but requiring no energy to start up.
-Next level Unlocked Potential (if Gohan actually does this in the current arc) shared only with the Human Saiyan Hybrid subrace.
-Human God Ki (designed by Toriyama or Toyataru, even if it's never used in other series), then God Kaioken combo ala SSB, both unlocked like the above mentioned God and Blue, via difficult optional missions after a certain level. Mission could be identical to God and Blue in context.

Frieza race needs an overhaul.
*Subraces: None. Unless U6 Frieza's are somehow different
-Do Frieza style forms, with names like they have with Frost, allowing you to customize the parts and colors for every different form.
-Golden Frieza (Again customized by the player once unlocked so everything looks right), with True Golden Frieza + TGF Kaioken, all unlocked ala God and Blue (See a theme?)
-Mecha, 4th form (Cooler) and 100% power, branching off from one another, each with different stat advantages before Gold.

Namekians need a little love, but there's currently not alot to do with them.
*Subraces: None, unless noteable difference from U6
-Super Namekian (Similar to the one vs 17, aswell as the existing giant form)
-Namekian God (Supposedly already exists in Dragon Ball Heroes) with Kaioken combo, again unlocked like God and Blue.

And finally, Majiins, perhaps the most difficult to give new options to
*Subraces: None
-Similar to above mentioned Frieza race, let the player individually create each form progressively. Fat, Super, and Pure forms
-God energy form. Perhaps thanks to Fat Buu (Your father) having a Kai within him.
-All forms having Kaioken combos, since they all seem like direct upgrades to one another and don't have consumption issues.




This is my way to rationalize things. Fact is, people want more forms. The entire purpose of having a custom character in a Dragon Ball game is a power fantasy, and we want the power! Fact also is, there's other races to consider, but some are just not as versatile. Saiyans have all sorts of ways to bring their power out, whereas Namekians and Majins are kinda just one-and-done with how their power works. This is the most complete and all-inclusive list I could come up with, short of just letting you invent your own custom transformations and just saying screw it. Which might also be acceptable.

[Le Charismeur]

Very nice hope they Take notes

[Spiry San]

Gooood job my friend... and let's not forget the Dragon Ball Saga, when Goku was just growing up. I mean if they do the Dragon Ball history in the game, at least do all of it... and for any character a quest do "grow up", like Goku did for DB Z. What are u saying here goes more for a MMO RPG Fight ( I am up for that), it would be very interesting to have that much variation for a "custom caracter", that it is called custom... i would really like to create a small character and grow... ok, a Sayan like Goku or Gohan.. they grew up in the series, so I ask now "why can't we do that for our custom avatars?.. why can't we be diferent in stats?" ....u may post what u said up on the Bandai page.. i had some discution with them at some point.

[Malsvir Ixen]

We don't need any more transformations. I don't give a flying ♥♥♥♥ if you want God and Blue and all that. We don't need it.

[iamcorn]

.... okay but why tho.

[Bottom of the Well]

Or just you know keep it as is and take away the absurd drawbacks of other races transformations and give them UP and just for the hell of it UP2 that is stronger and then give the others their stupid god forms and problem solved orrrrrrrrrrrr

Make it so when max level it auto turns into god form and w/e or just give ppl guns idk anymore. This entire game wll never be balanced people need to get that. Its DBZ saiyans will always have more forms and be stronger lore wise its just how it is. Im not saying they cant give others ♥♥♥♥ they can. Show wise they did the UP twice in the show Soo you got the basic one from namek and then the one from elder kai so there problem solved and if people ♥♥♥♥♥ more let them get a UP 3 from super even if its just the same thing then everyone has tons!!

But people would still ♥♥♥♥♥ because saiyans would have SS,SSG and UP and Kaioken transformations and say they have 10 when its really just 4.

[iamcorn]

Originally posted by Bellesaurus rex 🐲:

Or just you know keep it as is and take away the absurd drawbacks of other races transformations and give them UP and just for the hell of it UP2 that is stronger and then give the others their stupid god forms and problem solved orrrrrrrrrrrr

Make it so when max level it auto turns into god form and w/e or just give ppl guns idk anymore. This entire game wll never be balanced people need to get that. Its DBZ saiyans will always have more forms and be stronger lore wise its just how it is. Im not saying they cant give others ♥♥♥♥ they can. Show wise they did the UP twice in the show Soo you got the basic one from namek and then the one from elder kai so there problem solved and if people ♥♥♥♥♥ more let them get a UP 3 from super even if its just the same thing then everyone has tons!!

But people would still ♥♥♥♥♥ because saiyans would have SS,SSG and UP and Kaioken transformations and say they have 10 when its really just 4.

Actually Guru's was just drawing untapped power that the user would otherwise not be able to access, akin to scraping hte last of the peanutbutter out of the jar.

Elder Kai's was more a transformation to merge the combined abilities of the user, so When Gohan used it he was able to tap into all the strength he would have as a super saiyan, or to losing himself to rage.

This is why I think a Goku/Gohan Fusion would have been MUCH more powerfull, they'd be able to tap into SS3 without the need to transform into it directly. I think Buu may have utilized this too when he had Gohan absorbed in a way, which is why he was still able to tap into Gotenks power despite Goten and Trunks having defused inside.

That said, for the game it COULD make sense if UP did something different per race, but I feel like that ship has set sail in favor of a generic powerup.

[Bottom of the Well]

Originally posted by Iamcorn:

Originally posted by Bellesaurus rex 🐲:

Or just you know keep it as is and take away the absurd drawbacks of other races transformations and give them UP and just for the hell of it UP2 that is stronger and then give the others their stupid god forms and problem solved orrrrrrrrrrrr

Make it so when max level it auto turns into god form and w/e or just give ppl guns idk anymore. This entire game wll never be balanced people need to get that. Its DBZ saiyans will always have more forms and be stronger lore wise its just how it is. Im not saying they cant give others ♥♥♥♥ they can. Show wise they did the UP twice in the show Soo you got the basic one from namek and then the one from elder kai so there problem solved and if people ♥♥♥♥♥ more let them get a UP 3 from super even if its just the same thing then everyone has tons!!

But people would still ♥♥♥♥♥ because saiyans would have SS,SSG and UP and Kaioken transformations and say they have 10 when its really just 4.

Actually Guru's was just drawing untapped power that the user would otherwise not be able to access, akin to scraping hte last of the peanutbutter out of the jar.

Elder Kai's was more a transformation to merge the combined abilities of the user, so When Gohan used it he was able to tap into all the strength he would have as a super saiyan, or to losing himself to rage.

This is why I think a Goku/Gohan Fusion would have been MUCH more powerfull, they'd be able to tap into SS3 without the need to transform into it directly. I think Buu may have utilized this too when he had Gohan absorbed in a way, which is why he was still able to tap into Gotenks power despite Goten and Trunks having defused inside.

Probably and the other funny thing is people never take into account that FS, SS1-3 and SSV 1-2 are are weaker than UP. Its just what people perfer is SS when they are saiyans. So the amount doesnt matter its what it does and they want to merge things then ss3 would be far far stronger than UP. Then if you want to take a step further and be like the show even more UP should be a passive so everyone is as strong as a ss3 at base then add in another transformation and you got SSB+Kaioken levels of bs strength.

There is no real way to balance anything DBZ wise without making it all pointless.

[iamcorn]

Originally posted by Bellesaurus rex 🐲:

Originally posted by Iamcorn:

Actually Guru's was just drawing untapped power that the user would otherwise not be able to access, akin to scraping hte last of the peanutbutter out of the jar.

Elder Kai's was more a transformation to merge the combined abilities of the user, so When Gohan used it he was able to tap into all the strength he would have as a super saiyan, or to losing himself to rage.

This is why I think a Goku/Gohan Fusion would have been MUCH more powerfull, they'd be able to tap into SS3 without the need to transform into it directly. I think Buu may have utilized this too when he had Gohan absorbed in a way, which is why he was still able to tap into Gotenks power despite Goten and Trunks having defused inside.

Probably and the other funny thing is people never take into account that FS, SS1-3 and SSV 1-2 are are weaker than UP. Its just what people perfer is SS when they are saiyans. So the amount doesnt matter its what it does and they want to merge things then ss3 would be far far stronger than UP. Then if you want to take a step further and be like the show even more UP should be a passive so everyone is as strong as a ss3 at base then add in another transformation and you got SSB+Kaioken levels of bs strength.

There is no real way to balance anything DBZ wise without making it all pointless.

Super Saiyans also have that benifit to teleport with guard breaks and charged ki supers. Evil explosion is like a shotgun I can teleport to peoples faces with.

If I could do that with UP I'd be using Galick Gun a lot more. :v

[Jewbacca]

Forms should be customisable. You decide which stats you increase, and how much, but giving more stat make the form more costly in some way. Maybe give a choice: cost KI to turn into, needs KI to turn into, cost stamina to maintain, cost KI to maintain, or even cost health to maintain.

[🌹 𝑹𝒐𝒔𝒂 💞]

yea, that would be an awesome idea, and more really awesome graphical effects during transformation and while being transformed

[🌹 𝑹𝒐𝒔𝒂 💞]

i assume it would be great if we can create our own forms for Saiyans, Frieza, Namekians, customization of appearances and power level of these transformations = overall damage, Ki Stamina and Health level - all it depends on how much Skill Points or Training Points we can spend on our own transformation and empowering it in future of course - having infinite leveling of our own transformations

[Chronoreaper]

A variant of Hi-Tension could be used as a power up like transformation similar to Unlocked Potential it was used in another game in the past might've been Supersonic Warriors or something could give that to humans.

[🌹 𝑹𝒐𝒔𝒂 💞]

Originally posted by Chronoreaper:

A variant of Hi-Tension could be used as a power up like transformation similar to Unlocked Potential it was used in another game in the past might've been Supersonic Warriors or something could give that to humans.

Great idea!

[🌹 𝑹𝒐𝒔𝒂 💞]

Inner Consciousness - a power up for Humans - its an Enlightment and spiritual gates opening skill that can be used for fighting and for life of course

[Chronoreaper]

If we want to delve into dark powers too, Talismen Infusion that Tiens student used in DBS could work too dunno if that'll be multi-racial or limited though.