DRAGON BALL XENOVERSE 2

DRAGON BALL XENOVERSE 2

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Takii Dec 4, 2018 @ 4:26pm
New Players, RNG and what it means for you.
Hey, welcome to the game. A few things i want to point out to some people because it doesnt appear that everyone understands this.

I see lots of posts about how ability and item drops are bugged.

Most of the time its not bugged, Please understand that this game like many others uses something called RNG, Random Number Generator. Meaning its going to be completely random.

I keep seeing posts like "what am i doing wrong?" "do i need a DLC?" 1. You arent doing anything wrong. 2. While its true that DLCs add more quests, characters, skills, items, ect ect. They are not actually needed to play the game, they are just extras.

Drops will always be random, it basically comes down to luck. You can do a quest over and over and over and get nothing, and sometimes you can do a quest once or twice and get what you wanted. Just because you complete the quest and get a Z ranking, does not imply that everything in the quest has a 100% drop rating. While yes it can be annoying, there really isnt much you can do about it except try. Dont let failure stop you, ive seen people become extremely hostile even towards other players for trying to explain that its not always a guarantee, and they not only bad mouth the game but the players who are just trying to help explain whats going on.

Also this game will often not tell you that something had dropped until the entire quest is over. Sometimes you will see a message pop up saying you got something, other times you wont, not real sure why it does that. Just because you don't see something drop for you doesn't mean you didn't get anything. Regardless if you get a Z ranking or not, it all comes down to luck.

I hope this helps you guys out some and i wish you all the best of luck in your DBXV2 adventure.
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Gespenst Gaming Dec 4, 2018 @ 5:55pm 
Honestly it is bugged.

Something something, you get more drops at 30 fps for some completely assinine ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason.
Takii Dec 4, 2018 @ 6:01pm 
Originally posted by Gespenst Gaming:
Honestly it is bugged.

Something something, you get more drops at 30 fps for some completely assinine ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason.

LMAO.... did you really just make a claim that FPS has something to do with drop rates? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh you're serious? lmfao hahahahahaha oh im sorry i shouldnt laugh, but its so hard not to. Sorry.
Sandra Crimson Dec 4, 2018 @ 6:12pm 
Originally posted by Takii:
Originally posted by Gespenst Gaming:
Honestly it is bugged.

Something something, you get more drops at 30 fps for some completely assinine ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason.

LMAO.... did you really just make a claim that FPS has something to do with drop rates? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh you're serious? lmfao hahahahahaha oh im sorry i shouldnt laugh, but its so hard not to. Sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blHBFzEBwB4
Takii Dec 4, 2018 @ 6:19pm 
Originally posted by tftrevor813:
Originally posted by Takii:

LMAO.... did you really just make a claim that FPS has something to do with drop rates? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh you're serious? lmfao hahahahahaha oh im sorry i shouldnt laugh, but its so hard not to. Sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blHBFzEBwB4

Ahh Frieza, my kind of bad guy.
cowbell Dec 4, 2018 @ 11:41pm 
I aim for the Super souls. I think you can eventually buy every skill with medals.
Rolando Zolo Dec 5, 2018 @ 1:13am 
Originally posted by cowbell:
I aim for the Super souls. I think you can eventually buy every skill with medals.

not even close... so many are locked to PQ drops or expert missions
Takii Dec 5, 2018 @ 7:26am 
Originally posted by cowbell:
I aim for the Super souls. I think you can eventually buy every skill with medals.

You cant buy every skill with TP medals. You can't even buy very skill period unless you have a a shop mod or whatever its called.
MekaDovah Dec 5, 2018 @ 7:51am 
Originally posted by Takii:
Dont let failure stop you, ive seen people become extremely hostile even towards other players for trying to explain that its not always a guarantee, and they not only bad mouth the game but the players who are just trying to help explain whats going on.

While I agree we shouldn't be hostile to each other over it, I can understand frustration is not placated by simply having RNG explained. I know I actually get more annoyed because, well, people explaining what probability is to me doesn't actually change the fact it's still down to luck.

Call it what you will, but ultimately it's a frustrating system for many people since it doesn't reward skill or even effort. It just turns what should be a fun challenge into a tedious chore, and is just a lazy way to pad out the game.

I appreciate you taking the time to try and explain the situation in a calm and polite fashion. Most of the time I see people do this, it isn't politely. They can't help but bully those who are frustrated - supposedly because they're "tired of people whining about it" yet still take the time to chime in with their insults anyway so their time can't be that precious.

Because of how widespread such behavior is, I can also understand those who are frustrated with the system also being wary of patronizing and bullying responders. People who are just trying to help get unfairly lumped in with the bullies, but frankly people who take the kinder approach are much rarer.

Make no mistake, I do agree with you on almost all counts and I speak as someone who generally loves the game. But I do think an RNG loot system is a bad system in any and all games it's utilized in. We can still like and enjoy the game while still calling out its faults. I mean, ideally, the hope is doing so will improve the game. That seems unlikely here, but it would be nice.
Last edited by MekaDovah; Dec 5, 2018 @ 8:02am
Takii Dec 5, 2018 @ 8:32am 
Oh it is trust me, ive had people tell me that i dont know what im talking about because they are under the impression im saying the RNG system is perfectly fine when thats not the case. They just want to see what they want to see, the RNG system for this game is completely absurd.

its just that some people do a something once or twice and then make a bunch of form posts getting mad because they didnt get the item or skill they wanted, because they are under the impression it has a 100% drop rating but it doesnt. I saw a few threads lastnight about it which is what made me create this to help explain to people what the deal is.

I dont let failures stop me and start raging hard because i expect the game to just hand me stuff. im not saying thats the way everyone is, but ive seen enough to want to say something about it. I know not everyone is the same kind of player and as for improving the game, while its a nice thought, honestly i dont expect anyone in that kind of position that can make improves that we want, going through forums and reading angry complaints. I just dont see that happening even though id like that.

I understand a lot more then what my comments might imply about the games flaws, i read a review yesterday that called the game out for "not being able to do something" but you can do everything that he claimed you cant and most of his complaints were just trivial at best. Like he's mad because he cant make a male majinn buu that isnt fat. Or my characters power aura doesnt match the color of my skills that i worked hard to get. There are much much bigger problems this game needs to focus on then trivial things like that. Ive also seen people bad mouth the game for similar things when i try to tell them hey all you gotta do is this or that... i find out they disabled comments for said review. Their opinion is set in stone and well thats them, ive also seen people complain about the game pretty hard and only have a hour at best put into the game. A game like this requires more then just an hour to form an opinion, atleast to me.

Something i want to see addressed is better AI, better attack registration, RNG is just based on mathmatical probability so im not real sure if it can be improved on the scale that people want it to be. It can be improved dont get me wrong, but i dont want it to have a 100% drop rating either, because if a game just hands you things everytime you do something then its not going to be as fun to me because your getting everything right away. There are other improvements and things they can add as well, like new skills more PQs. Make the AI stop trying to take priority over you. Basically it just feels that more often then not , everytime i try to attack the opponent im fighting seems to be the one im controlling. The game can quickly counter you faster then a normal player ever could and then completely over power you. Id also like to see the AI stop resorting to dash boost knock back 8 times in a row and then taunt you with their comments. For example AI dash boost knock back over and over and then goes oh...tired already?... ya of your bs. Its like trying to play against someone whos never played a game and uses the same move over and over again which for whatever reason you cant avoid even though your skilled enough to do it. Then they act like they are the greatest player to ever play that game because they beat you.

I try to be polite as i can, but sometimes it just doesnt work, specially when people want to assault you for no other reason besides their just mad. So thanks for stating your opinion in a polite fashion, its nice to see that people can still do that.
MekaDovah Dec 5, 2018 @ 2:10pm 
Hm. We may have to agree to disagree on the RNG at least in part. I believe a 100 percent drop rate would be fine if the challenge before hand is sufficient. I think it's better for the game overall to focus on designing suitable challenges that are based on the core gameplay, as opposed to any RNG at all. This just requires the devs to actually put in the effort to design those challenges instead of taking shortcuts.

Having played some other games recently that do properly reward the player the old fashioned way, I find RNG loot drops more and more inexcusible, even when they aren't exploited for profit.

Stuff like not being able to make a not-fat male majin or recoloring auras, well more customization would be nice. Personally I would like a Saiyan tail that is both properly animated (or just always wrapped), separate from battle suits, and doesn't sit in the butt crack (I'm not sure if it does on men, but I know it does on women and it doesn't really resemble a tail at that point). But that's nothing to tear down the whole game over. Honestly I would think the RNG thing would be a smidge more important anyway.

I also agree being polite is better. There's no point in being a jerk - it just proves the one doing so is throwing their weight around in a petty attempt to sound big. Especially when they try to justify it with lame, self-righteous excuses like being a jerk is a sacred right or something. That's automatically hypocritical anyway since they're asking us to respect their rights while already not respecting others - kind of the definition of entitlement when you think about it.

Edit: I do want to point out that while I strongly oppose RNG loot drops, I do agree losing one's temper over it is just a bad idea. No game is worth that kind of freak out and it doesn't help resolve the matter. I do think it makes it even more of a sign it's a bad system since it creates frustration rather than fun, but people these days need to cool their jets because they're just making things worse for themselves and others by exploding at everything and lashing out at everyone.
Last edited by MekaDovah; Dec 5, 2018 @ 2:17pm
Originally posted by MekaDovah:
Originally posted by Takii:
Dont let failure stop you, ive seen people become extremely hostile even towards other players for trying to explain that its not always a guarantee, and they not only bad mouth the game but the players who are just trying to help explain whats going on.

While I agree we shouldn't be hostile to each other over it, I can understand frustration is not placated by simply having RNG explained. I know I actually get more annoyed because, well, people explaining what probability is to me doesn't actually change the fact it's still down to luck.

Call it what you will, but ultimately it's a frustrating system for many people since it doesn't reward skill or even effort. It just turns what should be a fun challenge into a tedious chore, and is just a lazy way to pad out the game.

I appreciate you taking the time to try and explain the situation in a calm and polite fashion. Most of the time I see people do this, it isn't politely. They can't help but bully those who are frustrated - supposedly because they're "tired of people whining about it" yet still take the time to chime in with their insults anyway so their time can't be that precious.

Because of how widespread such behavior is, I can also understand those who are frustrated with the system also being wary of patronizing and bullying responders. People who are just trying to help get unfairly lumped in with the bullies, but frankly people who take the kinder approach are much rarer.

Make no mistake, I do agree with you on almost all counts and I speak as someone who generally loves the game. But I do think an RNG loot system is a bad system in any and all games it's utilized in. We can still like and enjoy the game while still calling out its faults. I mean, ideally, the hope is doing so will improve the game. That seems unlikely here, but it would be nice.


Uhm, RNG drops and LUCK basicaly arent a bad thing. Lets take WOWS, a fine MMOPVP out there, into consideration: shure you dont grind for something, yet giving the player 100% instant access to high tier game's isnt something that A: The Comunity wants B: is good for the player himselfe (eg : lacking of knowledge how to use bought stuff) and C: Where is the EFFORT that you need to do while grinding? If people cant grind then pls either LEARN HOW TO or get out of the game. its as simple as that. Frustration has nothing to do with that. Either your able to play the game like its ment to be (like i will play WOW's old version next year simply because you need to EARN those set's there and not get them via present), Or just go back to COD or something else involving little to no luck to get skins/stuff (as thheir all buyable anyway)
Takii Dec 5, 2018 @ 3:12pm 
Uhm, RNG drops and LUCK basicaly arent a bad thing. Lets take WOWS, a fine MMOPVP out there, into consideration: shure you dont grind for something, yet giving the player 100% instant access to high tier game's isnt something that A: The Comunity wants B: is good for the player himselfe (eg : lacking of knowledge how to use bought stuff) and C: Where is the EFFORT that you need to do while grinding? If people cant grind then pls either LEARN HOW TO or get out of the game. its as simple as that. Frustration has nothing to do with that. Either your able to play the game like its ment to be (like i will play WOW's old version next year simply because you need to EARN those set's there and not get them via present), Or just go back to COD or something else involving little to no luck to get skins/stuff (as thheir all buyable anyway) [/quote]

Are you really trying to tell someone else how to play their version of the game? I believe that how someone plays their game is of no concern to you it is their game after all and something that they spent their money on, not you. You cant just say go back and play this if you dont like it. Why should they? If they still like the game but are still a little upset about something its still completely understanderable, my issue is that people are letting a few small issues ruin their whole perception of the game entirely and try to dog the game as much as they can because their angry. Please, do not tell someone else if they dont like it then go play something else because its not your right to tell someone what they should be doing, i figured you were a WoW player given that mentality is the main reason i left that game, you all seem to be under the impression you have the ability and right to tell someone what to do with their game when you dont. If you want to do this stuff take it somewhere else.
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Takii Dec 5, 2018 @ 3:14pm 
Basically if you're going to be a jerk then dont bother commenting. Nobody has time for that crap.
MekaDovah Dec 5, 2018 @ 4:19pm 
Originally posted by -=EDF=- Kouta Seto:
Uhm, RNG drops and LUCK basicaly arent a bad thing. Lets take WOWS, a fine MMOPVP out there, into consideration: shure you dont grind for something, yet giving the player 100% instant access to high tier game's isnt something that A: The Comunity wants B: is good for the player himselfe (eg : lacking of knowledge how to use bought stuff) and C: Where is the EFFORT that you need to do while grinding? If people cant grind then pls either LEARN HOW TO or get out of the game. its as simple as that. Frustration has nothing to do with that. Either your able to play the game like its ment to be (like i will play WOW's old version next year simply because you need to EARN those set's there and not get them via present), Or just go back to COD or something else involving little to no luck to get skins/stuff (as thheir all buyable anyway)

Again, I re-iterate, if there is a suitable challenge then that is what teaches people how to play the game. That is the point if making gameplay based challenges - by besting the challenge you master the game. If anything RNG loot drops encourages stagnation and laziness in the player as well as the developer because once a quest or boss becomes repetitive enough, most people begin seeking ways to get through it with less effort. After a few go arounds, it provides no further stimulation and is just mind numbing.

As a veteran WoW player myself (from vanilla up through Pandaria specifically) I know all about how it works. And believe me, the time I wasted trying to get gear was, in no way, teaching me anything about playing the game. I learned nothing new about a dungeon or the bosses or how to utilize my class having to run it every week or every day for three months straight.

And unlike Xenoverse, WoW requires a subscription fee so that time wasted is designed to give the company more money. Xenoverse has no subscription fee and therefore it is a less comparable example.

I would advise you not to get on too high of a horse when offering a counter point. Your blanket assumption that time spent = skill may be more flawed than you think.

I've also never played Call of Duty. I prefer Doom and Wolfenstein thank you very much.
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Takii Dec 5, 2018 @ 4:52pm 
Agreed. I to played WoW from Vanilla to MoP i left about 6 months after MoP came out, i just couldnt do it anymore. I as well never played CoD as i to perfer Doom 2016 and garrys mod, and ive never played the Wolfenstein games personally but ive got friends who do and ive watched them play it a lot.

I also agree that yes when you do something like 50 times it can get annoying as hell and i myself have over 1100 hours tied to this game so id like to believe the overall game is what keeps me playing. His comment about "if you cant grind then learn to or get off the game" is just beyond stupid. He's under the impression that grinding is something you learn to do, but you and i both know grinding is something you just do not something you learn. Not to mention its pretty clear that hes under the impression if you cant play the game the way you should then you have no reason to play the game, never mind that people have different views and opinions on how to play a game. Thats why i left WoW, it went from a play it your way to if you want to accomplish anything in this game youll live up the other players standards or go find something better to do with your time. I dont like people trying to tell me or others how to play a game i paid for, let alone paid for and then pay a subscription fee every month just to be told well if you dont have this or that or dont play it specifically this way then we dont want you. Specially when i spent my time building my character the way i wanted it to be. Plus i got sick of people telling me that i have to keep constantly changing specs every few months or weeks specially when you get used to a specific way of playing.

Hell it even went as far as people trying to bad mouth other players to get other people not to take them on raids or even basic dungeons because they refuse to conform to their stupidly high standards.
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Date Posted: Dec 4, 2018 @ 4:26pm
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