Berserker Transformation?

[Beyonder]

I mean i would love to have a transformation like this because honestly I would love to see my OC take a dramatic new form different than the regular super saiyan (SS1,2,3, and SSB) and see what new things could come of it like better Stamina? Ki? Strength? Ultimate/KI blast strengths? Something new to the race!?

[Beyonder]

General Jelly Jiggler a écrit :

Beyonder a écrit :

So no one is saying no to this?

Won't say no, but it's pretty unlikely. Idk how the skill should work, would you transform into a broly clone similar to how the majinn purification skill works? Would you just get green tinted hair instead of gold?

It's just bulking up the character with green aura/no pupils.

[ᴅᴜsᴛɪɴ ᴡᴇᴇʙᴇʀ]

Potential Unleashed is Unique to Gohan in the series but can be achieved by anyone same goes for Golden form (as stated by Frieza in the movie, and Cooler in the new Dragon Ball Heros Anime) Frieza was the only one to Achieve Golden Form....well because he is the only super powered frieza race character. Goku was the only one to ever use Kaioken but it is possible for anyone to learn it. Legendary Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Berserker are Unique Variable Transformations that only Kale and Broly know and as stated only they could achieve.

[Winged One]

Mr. Popo a écrit :

Potential Unleashed is Unique to Gohan in the series but can be achieved by anyone same goes for Golden form (as stated by Frieza in the movie, and Cooler in the new Dragon Ball Heros Anime) Frieza was the only one to Achieve Golden Form....well because he is the only super powered frieza race character. Goku was the only one to ever use Kaioken but it is possible for anyone to learn it. Legendary Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Berserker are Unique Variable Transformations that only Kale and Broly know and as stated only they could achieve.

and until Future Trunks showed up, everyone assumed that only Goku was capable of going Super Saiyan.. now everyone and their pet dog can go Super Saiyan.. it was also assumed for a while only Gohan could go SS2 due to being a human Saiyan Hybrid


just because we haven't seen others take a form does not mean they are not capable, every main stay transformation started by "only this person can do it!"..




and even then, what is and isn't canon doesn't even apply here.. the entire Xenoverse series (just like Heroes) is non-canon, officially released fanfiction more than anything

[ᴅᴜsᴛɪɴ ᴡᴇᴇʙᴇʀ]

theseraph1 a écrit :

and until Future Trunks showed up, everyone assumed that only Goku was capable of going Super Saiyan.. now everyone and their pet dog can go Super Saiyan.. it was also assumed for a while only Gohan could go SS2 due to being a human Saiyan Hybrid. just because we haven't seen others take a form does not mean they are not capable, every main stay transformation started by "only this person can do it!"..
and even then, what is and isn't canon doesn't even apply here.. the entire Xenoverse series (just like Heroes) is non-canon, officially released fanfiction more than anything

First and Formost it was never speculated that Only Goku could go Super Saiyan, Trunks did it litterally a few episode later after the end of the Frieza Saga. Was never Speculated that only Gohan Could go Super Saiyan 2 because Trunks Asscended past Normal Super Saiyan before Gohan did (and he is also a saiyan human hybrid). Saiyans do not have a limitation to what base Super Saiyan state they can reach, However as stated in the movie, Broly's form of Super Saiyan is unique and had not been seen, only spoken of in legend. Kale on the other hand when she goes Super Saiyan, She goes into her Berserk Form, not a standard Super Saiyan form thus Berserk is her Unique Base Super Saiyan form. If it was NOT Unique if it was indeed achievable by others, we would have seen it by now.

[Winged One]

yes it was speculated that onlyh Goku could go SS actually, in the original manga. and when Gohan first went SS2, the spectators did state that it was a state only gohan would be able to achieve (remember, the series was supposed to end after the Cell arc, the writing had long been going towards Gohan surpassing all, but Jump paid a premium to keep the series going after it was supposed to end)..

and Trunks state was not comparable to SS2.. SS grade 2 and Grade 3 are not seperate transformations, they are just the result of pushing more power into the standrad SS state.. a combination of SS, and the "Full Power" state people like Roshi and Frieza have taken..



and as stated, Xenoverse isn't canon in the first place, its extended fan fiction..

[ᴅᴜsᴛɪɴ ᴡᴇᴇʙᴇʀ]

Actually Series was supposed to end with Goku dying on Namek. I do understand what you are saying but if the Series ended after Cell Saga there would be no way to speculate that only Gohan could obtain SS2 since the series would be over. We are talking about the anime NOT the Manga since Xenoverse Dragon Ball Super Anime and Dragon Ball Heros do not follow the Manga AT ALL. LSS Was never mentioned in the manga. Grade 2 and Grade 3 are not seperate yes, but they are in fact still a form of Asscension. Meaning that it is possible for them to break their limit and go further. And with Trunks being half Human As well he would have the same ability. So if anyone speculated that, then they failed really bad.

[Beyonder]

I'm happy to see people discuss in a civil manner.

[General Jelly Jiggler]

Beyonder a écrit :

General Jelly Jiggler a écrit :

Won't say no, but it's pretty unlikely. Idk how the skill should work, would you transform into a broly clone similar to how the majinn purification skill works? Would you just get green tinted hair instead of gold?

It's just bulking up the character with green aura/no pupils.

Having them bulk up could present problems that could clash with character animations. Plus would they remain mostly the same height, or would they grow to the same height as broly? if that were the case then they would have to basically copy his combo strings to the CaC.

[Greasewoah]

Mr. Popo a écrit :

Actually Series was supposed to end with Goku dying on Namek. I do understand what you are saying but if the Series ended after Cell Saga there would be no way to speculate that only Gohan could obtain SS2 since the series would be over. We are talking about the anime NOT the Manga since Xenoverse Dragon Ball Super Anime and Dragon Ball Heros do not follow the Manga AT ALL. LSS Was never mentioned in the manga. Grade 2 and Grade 3 are not seperate yes, but they are in fact still a form of Asscension. Meaning that it is possible for them to break their limit and go further. And with Trunks being half Human As well he would have the same ability. So if anyone speculated that, then they failed really bad.

Jesus f*ck we don't all have 3k hours like you do to do hours of intense grinding for a single transformation

[Demon Lord]

My input on this from a gaming perspective is that it should be an optional reskin on super saiyan or super vegeta. Saiyans have a transformation that acts as a potential unleashed substitute (Future SSJ), super Vegeta that buffs ki attacks, and super saiyan that buffs basic and strike attacks. SSGSS buffs all attacks massively. I got no issue with the transformations themselves, but the buff options are pretty full right now... If the developers updated some of the accessories like the saiyan tails to be animated, then you can jerryrig one of the existing super saiyan buffs to act for ssj4 or have an optional config to get the berserk form emulated.

[ᴅᴜsᴛɪɴ ᴡᴇᴇʙᴇʀ]

ΣDGYƧPIMΛIП a écrit :

Jesus f*ck we don't all have 3k hours like you do to do hours of intense grinding for a single transformation

What does my playtime have to do with what we are talking about? But since you want to get into how much playtime I have. That is over the course of 2 years. I unlocked all of my achievements on the first week of the game's release. Getting all my mentors maxed was probably the most time consuming, but if you are grinding to collect all of the skills in the game, then you will be doing that anyway. I don't see why you would play a game and NOT try to complete it.

[Greasewoah]

Mr. Popo a écrit :

ΣDGYƧPIMΛIП a écrit :

Jesus f*ck we don't all have 3k hours like you do to do hours of intense grinding for a single transformation

What does my playtime have to do with what we are talking about? But since you want to get into how much playtime I have. That is over the course of 2 years. I unlocked all of my achievements on the first week of the game's release. Getting all my mentors maxed was probably the most time consuming, but if you are grinding to collect all of the skills in the game, then you will be doing that anyway. I don't see why you would play a game and NOT try to complete it.

According to your logic ssj4 should cost 10 ki bars
which means literally almost no cac would have access to it unless they have meditation equipped. And completely everything with z rank? Just for a transformation with slightly better stamina recovery? We're talking about at least 400 hours of gameplay

[ᴅᴜsᴛɪɴ ᴡᴇᴇʙᴇʀ]

ΣDGYƧPIMΛIП a écrit :

Mr. Popo a écrit :

What does my playtime have to do with what we are talking about? But since you want to get into how much playtime I have. That is over the course of 2 years. I unlocked all of my achievements on the first week of the game's release. Getting all my mentors maxed was probably the most time consuming, but if you are grinding to collect all of the skills in the game, then you will be doing that anyway. I don't see why you would play a game and NOT try to complete it.

According to your logic ssj4 should cost 10 ki bars
which means literally almost no cac would have access to it unless they have meditation equipped. And completely everything with z rank? Just for a transformation with slightly better stamina recovery? We're talking about at least 400 hours of gameplay

Like I said, I was merely throwing ideas out, those were examples. Could easily be something else, but it should be challanging, not something piss easy like SSB.

[General Jelly Jiggler]

Mr. Popo a écrit :

ΣDGYƧPIMΛIП a écrit :

According to your logic ssj4 should cost 10 ki bars
which means literally almost no cac would have access to it unless they have meditation equipped. And completely everything with z rank? Just for a transformation with slightly better stamina recovery? We're talking about at least 400 hours of gameplay

Like I said, I was merely throwing ideas out, those were examples. Could easily be something else, but it should be challanging, not something piss easy like SSB.

They just need to make it so you don't need to jump through hoops to get it, while making it feel like you earned the transformation. I think the only reason SSB felt so easy to get is because most people would have already been level 90 by the time it was released, and have had plenty of time ot max out friendship with him.

[Nadia]

I guess they could add things like the Legendary/Berserk Form and SSJ4 into Xenoverse 3 as long the other Races also get some new Transformations and maybe some changes to Races in general.

Let me explain how I would do it for Xenoverse 3.

For the Transformations:

Saiyans:

SSJ4 Transformation:

It would be obtained in a Special Questchain, first the player would have to get all 7 Dragons Balls and would have to wish for a Saiyan Tail, after that is done the player would be Tested by Goku, Gohan and Vegeta, who will fight the player in there SSJ4 Forms, after enough damage is done to all 3 a cutscene would play that shows the player Turning into a Golden Ozaru, after the cutscene the player would have to fight a battle in his mind agains a "Dark Self" to regain controll (Like in the Mind Controll Events in some Missions), after that the player would reappear as a SSJ4 and would have to Fight SSJ4 Broly together with Goku, Gohan and Vegeta.

After the Mission is finished the Regular SSJ Transformations would add the SSJ4 State that costs 6 KI bars as the last Transformation with additional statt increases.

SSJ/SSJ2/SS3/SSJ4* (This Form would use Gokus SSJ4 Hairstyle)

Super Vegeta/Super Vegeta 2/Super Vegeta4* (This Form would use Vegetas SSJ4 Hairstyle)

Future Super Saiyan/Future Super Saiyan 4* (This Form would use Gohans SSJ4 Hairstyle)

*Alternative it could be it's own Transformation with it's own Hairstyle and Stats.

Legendary Transformations:

To obtain this Forms you would have to make a long Questchain for Fuu, who tells the player that this kind of power was not made for him, but that he would help you to obtain because he is curious what would happen if the player was the "Legendary Super Saiyan".

Legendary Form (Universe 7)(Maybe Males only)

Legendary SSJ
Legendary SSJ2
Legendary SSJ3
Legendary SSJ4*

Based on Broly this form would increase the Power of the player drasticaly and would add a High KI regain and small stamina regain, but since this form is achieved in a unatural way, the player can't skip SSJ forms like with the Regular SSJ and has to wait some time before he can get in a higher state, also the time that is needed to recover from a stamina break would be doubled.

*Legendary SSJ4 would only be added after the SSJ4 Quest has been done.

Legendary Form (Universe 6)(Maybe Females only)

"Berserk Form" (Similar to Universe 7 Legendary SSJ)
Legendary SSJ (Similar to Universe 7 SSJ but taler with greenish hair)
Legendary SSJ2 (Similar to Universe 7 SSJ but taler with solid green hair)

Based on Kale this form would increase the Power and Speed of the player drasticaly and would add a High KI regain and small stamina regain, but since this form is achieved in a unatural way, the player can't skip SSJ forms like with the Regular SSJ and has to wait some time before he can get in a higher state, also the time that is needed to recover from a stamina break would be doubled.

Namekians:

Gigantification (Similar to Freezers 100% Power and Roshis Max Power form, used by Piccolo in the fight against Garlic Jr, in the Anime only.)
Will be gained in Story Mode.

"Super Namekian"
Will be gained in a Spiecial Quest on Namek.

"Red Eyed Form" (From Dragon Ball Online & Dragon Ball Heroes)
Can be gained in a Quest after reaching 100% Friendship with Piccolo and Lord Slug.

Freezers Race:

100% Full Power
Will be gained in Story Mode.

Super Evolution (Coolers Final Form)
Will be gained in a Special Quest from Cooler.

New Super Soul: "Power of the Big Gete Star"
Auto revives the player in a Silver/Metal Cooler like form once with 1 complete HP Bar.

Humans:

Max Power Form
Will be gained in Story Mode.

No Ego Zone (Krillin obtained it in the Super Anime)
Will be gained in a Special Quest from Krillin.

Majin:
"Super Buu Form"
Will be gained in Story Mode.

"Slim Good Buu Form" (Buu obtained it in the Super Anime)
Will be gained in a Special Quest from Buu.

They could also add the Majin Symbol and maybe Tuffleization as Powerupskills like the Fruid of the Tree of might.

Befor you ask I did only add a detailed explanation for the Saiyan Forms, to show how I would try to balance them, and not added to much details to the rest because I'm just playing around with the Idea, what do you think could it work like that? Any suggestions to balance it better?