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It said Time something, I can't remember the other word...
But it sounded like it said Time Travel... to me...
The thing about the Pure Good? Actually your right...
What I meant by that was... It was stated you needed to be a pure hearted Saiyan...
& Vegeta believed if he had been a Pure Evil person, that it would have made him we'll we all get where that got him...
But I was trying to say, that he was wrong, that it actually meant pure good, because well, if you look at Goten & Trunks, you can see how...
It took Vegeta his whole life to become where he was, but 2 kids with pure good heart, achieved the same power in practically their childhood... Not even teens, oO
Think about it? All the sayains, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Future Trunks... All became SSJ from hate... And even SSJ2... But yet Goten & Kid Trunks achieved SSJ1 almost SSJ2 not from hate, but with good... & look at the differences in their powers?
Even then, if you look at the fights between Buu & Gohan Vs Buu & Gotenks... Or even fights between Hilgerdan vs Goku, as well as Hilgerdan vs Gotenks...
You can clearly see that the kids deffinately were strong... Up until that point however... Kinda after that, they sorta just slacked off, & well became lazy, lOl... Bad writers maybe? lOl...
If you look at SSJ4... SSJ4 seems to require a good heart... To Achieve...
Which is why Vegeta was not able to transform into this himself,
but maybe i'm wrong? Or maybe the moon just drugged Goku,
& he fantasized about it, haha...
He must of been a weak SSJ character if he was beaten by meer Giant Apes? lOl...
You would think that with SSJ, his powerlevel would be outragiously high, @_@
compared to a Giant Ape? @_@
I mean look at it this way... Freeza took out an entire race including giant apes, & a whole planet, by himself... & he was even beaten by a Super Saiyan, oO
Hey, wait a mins. is this Video fake, or real?
This one talking about the Shenron discussing how the whole Saiyan Ledgend was just a
Namekian Myth or whatever... That it wasn't even a Saiyan Myth? @_@
I can't find the original Video anymore... Here is the video that I saw stating it was a Namekian Myth or Namekian Lore... oO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHACW0_TXYY
DB Super is so weird, & awkward, that I can't tell if this is fake or real? @_@
Why would Namekians have anything to do with Saiyans Origins?
From the looks of DBZ, they made it sound like Saiyans had never met Namakians before...
Because well, if they had, they would have known about the Dragon Balls already, @_@
Welp, I give up, if you guys say that it's legit, good... I'm done reading into this, haha...
Thanks for the help anyways... Now for a little gift...
Yamoshi... AKA Yamcha Aoshi? Yamcha what are you doing as a Saiyan? @_@
Nope, Vegeta just didn't have a tail at the time to become an Oozaru (Great Ape). To achieve the Super Saiyan 4 transformation it appears that you need 4 things to happen:
1. You need to be a Saiyan with a tail
2. You need to be able to become a Super Saiyan
3. You need enough Blutz waves to trigger the Oozaru transformation
4. You need to control your new Golden Oozaru form
Super Saiyan doesn't just put you on a level with other Super Saiyans, it's simply a x50 boost to power of the Saiyan using it. Furthermore Yamoshi was never said to be a huge amount stronger than the other Saiyans, who could be boosting themselves with a x10 multiplier with Oozaru (Great Ape). Simply put, Yamoshi exhausted himself fighting armies of opponents relevant to him.
Let's now talk about Frieza and what he did to the Saiyans. At the time the Saiyans were destroyed King Vegeta was their strongest and his only stated power level was 10,000 (anime). The Saiyan race was mostly low class Saiyans (like Bardock), 10 mid class Saiyans (like Raditz), and the elite class which at the time only made up King Vegeta and Prince Vegeta. Frieza in his 1st form was calculated at 530,000, far exceeding King Vegeta's power even as an Oozaru. Furthermore Frieza decided it best to absolutely one shot the Saiyans, by destroying their planet after ordering them all to return home. The only Saiyans to survive were Kakarot (who was sent away, later growing up as Goku), Vegeta and Raditz (who ignored the order to return home), and Nappa.
Are we possitive that, them being low class, actually meant their powers were low level?
I mean is, just because Bardock was low class, doesn't nessesarly mean he had a low power level... But anyways... He perished anyways, maybe he was Yamoshi, or maybe Yamcha found a way into the Saiyan Race? He didn't cut it as a human, so he grew a tail, =D
The low class is given to Saiyans born with a low power level and will generally stay with them throughout life. Keep in mind that before Goku had LITERAL divine intervention to increase his power, he was a 416. Without the help King Kai or off-world intervention, Goku would be lucky to have gotten to Raditz's level.
The Bardock specials aren't canon and are made by Toei. The canon Bardock was a low class Saiyan who rebelled against Frieza and died for his actions. The canon Bardock never achieved Super Saiyan and died right then and there.
Most confusion in the fanbase is generally caused by the anime (strange filler whilst waiting for Toriyama to make the next part of the story), caused by the dubs (BRILLIANT SCIENTIST), caused by movies (Broly is maximumerest Legendary Super Saiyan), and/or caused by the fanbase itself (come on guys, Vegeta Breigh).
On their original home world, saiyans were constantly fighting one another for one reason or another, resulting in a high mortality rate. They were barbarians who mainly used their fists to kill their enemies and rivals.
By the time they developed space technology, there were only a few thousand (maybe as many as 10,000) saiyans alive. And they traveled to Planet Plant for reasons not mentioned, but probably because they thought the planet was some kind of land of opportunity for them.
They arrived and immediately instigated war against the tuffles, a race of beings who had incredibly advanced technology and weapons on their side. The saiyans would have lost the war and been wiped out had it not been for a stroke of luck. Plant does not have a full moon often, but after years of warring with the Tuffles, a full moon appeared and transformed the entire saiyan army into great apes and they wiped out the entire Tuffle population in one night.
The saiyans then salvaged the Tuffles technology for themselves and learned how to use and maintain it.
The saiyans were later contracted by the Planet Trade Organization or, more specifically, Frieza, to handle the grunt work of culling low level life forms from existence so that their planets could later be sold to the highest bidder on the market or used as another way station for the Fireza force. In exchange for their services, Frieza promised that the saiyans could consider themselves part of his empire and, as such, enjoy certain benefits such as not having their planet destroyed.
Frieza, as we all know, went back on his word for two reasons. One, he grew concerned that saiyans might one day become strong enough to threaten his empire after receiving reports that injured saiyans who were healed were several times stronger than before simply from having survived almost dying. The other reason is because Beerus was far too lazy to do his job at the time; his job being destroying planets with life forms deemed unnecessary to exist. And so, Beerus personally contacted Frieza and told him to destroy planet Vegeta. And, of course, not even Frieza would dare refuse a destroyer god. Plus, Frieza clearly enjoyed doing it anyway.
The tale of a super saiyan, at the time, was a mere myth and, as Frieza stated, a fairy tale that saiyans told one another and passed down onto their children.
As for all of the saiyans sent off world, they were just infants at the time that had been rocketed off into space to predetermined planets for conquest whose life forms were deemed incredibly low level...as in, farmer with a shotgun on average in power. But they were still infants and their pods brainwashed them into being nothing but murderous psychopaths, traumatized by the message that played on repeat in their ears for months on end.
Most of the saiyans shipped off ended up either dying in space or on the planets they landed on. They likely died of starvation, dehydration, sickness, or outright killed by local inhabitants, but that's just my personal and logical speculation on the subject.
Goku would have also likely perished had his downed pod not been discovered by the martial artist and hermit, Gohan. Gohan couldn't simply leave an infant to die, even if it was an alien. So, he rescued the infant saiyan and took him in as his own son. Sometime during his infancy, Goku fell and suffered a severe head injury that resulted in the erasure of all the brainwashing done to him (it probably also accounts for his stupidity...I mean, as funny as him being stupid is, I am almost certain it has to do with some sort of permanent brain damage).
And as for all of the villains who appear in the movies (With the exception of the Super films)...they are non-canonical. Whatever happened in those movies and whatever was said in those movies has absolutely nothing to do with the actual story.
Is it possible that there are other saiyans who survived Frieza's attempt at extermination in their universe? Yes, it is. Is it possible that the saiyan race can repopulate in that universe? Yes, it is.
However! Saiyans are by no means the good guys., They are violent savages who thirst for war and conquest and blood...almost literally blood as they can eat raw animals without a problem. It is in their blood. Even Goku, who was raised by human standards to care for others, only cares to fight and become stronger. His personal survival is never on his mind and he often goes out of his way to give his opponents a chance despite the lives of everyone he knows and loves being at stake just so he can have a good fight.
Goku is no hero. His actions simply result in saving lives because he just happens to be the only one strong enough to get the job done. Master Roshi and Krillin helped instill within Goku some knowledge of what it means to be human and it was Kami and Mr. Popo who helped train Goku into his adulthood to face and combat evil in whatever form it should take.
Again, it would require a powerful and positive influence for the full-blooded saiyans of Goku's universe to become anything other than bloodthirsty warriors. Take Vegeta, for instance, he's mellowed out only because his innate need to breed landed him in a marriage with Bulma. But even with a wife and son, he remains almost completely selfish and bent on becoming the absolute best warrior, constantly measuring himself against "Kakorot" as a means of determining his self-worth at any given moment.
Saiyans sending infants is an anime only idea, along with the Planet Trade organization. Even Goku being found as a "helpless" infant is an anime only plot point, he was well capable of walking at that point according to Toriyama. Though you are right that Gohan simply couldn't leave a small child to fend for themselves, along with other things.