Best super soul for hybrid builds!

[SuitUpHewgz]

I feel we don't talk about hybrid builds too much. My setup is hybrid. It provides the best versatility. I have my ki blasts, both quick in combos, and stronger, slower ones for distance, as well as a strike for implementing quickly in combos as well. Topmost, it provides the funnest--and still the most efficient, experience while I'm doing pqs, either online or solo.

I investigated various super souls as I wanted one that boosted my dps the most efficiently. I was looking for those that boosted all attacks, that is, strikes, ki blasts, and basic attacks. Basic attacks are especially important in my hybrid setup since I use Divinity Unleashed to recoup ki while in ssgss form. These have been my findings, if you're interested (I tested these by fighting offline in PQ 122):

The Ultimate Power Is Mine!
Boosts all attacks (M)

I used this one for a long time. It's as uncomplicated as it gets. It boosts strikes, ki blasts, and basic attacks by a medium amount. No waiting. No having to keep health or ki or stamina high. It's just there. Permanently.

I found that it did even more damage in combos/supers mixing than other super souls that boosted either ki blasts or strikes alone by an (XL) amount. That means that if you mix your supers/ults with combos, this is better than either Champa's or Beerus's super souls. This is a great super soul but I wanted more.

(I tended to average a leftover time of 1-2 minutes for PQ122 using this super soul)

I Will Make Good Use of You!
After 60 seconds pass, boost all attacks (XL),
Reduce stamina/ki recovery (XL)

This was one I thought was going to have a lot of promise. It boosts all of your attacks at the highest amount. This super soul is basically Beerus's ss, Champa's ss, and Bojack's ss combined. No matter what you use, basic attacks, strikes, ki blasts, they're all boosted by the highest amount possible. You do serious damage.

And to wait 60 seconds isn't really even a big deal, especially in a pq. The problem, however, was with the reduced ki and stamina recovery. The reduced ki recovery was actually remarkably negligible. Divinity Unleashed still maintained ki really well.

But the stamina recovery. Holy crap, this made things unbearable. Having this disadvantage made me too vulnerable too often. I couldn't dodge or vanish as often, and I was stamina broken all the time and recovery took painfully long. I needed a better option.

(I tended to average a leftover time of 15-60 seconds for PQ122 using this super soul)

I Hate What I Have Become!
Reduce all attacks (L)
After 30 seconds pass, return all attacks to normal, then boost all attacks (L)

This is ultimately the one I changed to. The initial 30 second delay is completely negligible, especially in pqs. It boosts all attacks much higher than the first ss, not as high as the second ss I discussed, but it does go without those recovery disadvantages.

All my attacks were ungodly powerful, and with no penalty to my ki and stamina recovery, this became my ultimate and best choice for my hybrid build. Its limit burst involves super armor, so there's that to consider as well. The limit burst for the first two increase damage and recover ki.

(I tended to average a leftover time of 3-4 minutes for PQ122 using this super soul)

So that's been my analysis of super souls to help with hybrid builds. I recommend the last one the most. You'll do so much more damage, no matter what kinds of supers or ults you use, and even boosting basic attacks, which, if you use Divnity Unleashed to recover ki from ssgss like I do, you'll be using basic attacks a lot. And stringing them together with ki blast and strike supers and ults, you'll be a valuable asset in pqs.

[Hexo Mia]

I Hate What I Have Become! is the soul I use the most, really good boost and the waiting time is nothing.

[Majin Mew]

First of all, thanks for taking the time to do such an analysis.
You mentioned quite a few decent Super Souls to use.

BUT there are a few issues:

"So much more damage" is a rather vague expression. The damage differences aren't that high if you look at the damage formula. Level multiplier, attack multipliers and base values for race/sex are way more important than any boost a Soul could offer. The damage boosts from Souls are partially negligible, as other Souls might offer different advantages that eventually lead to higher DPS, regardless of missing out on boosts. Also, an L boost - while meaning: 15% - doesn't really translate to an actual 15% increase of your total damage due to how the damage formula works. Depending on other factors, 15% will translate to a real increase of like 5-7% at best.

For example, on 95% of PQs with multiple mid-high HP opponents, using "I hope you're reborn as someone good..." will yield better DPS than most other Souls due to refilling your entire Ki each time you KO someone. In other, quick PQs, Broly's "A monster? I'm a devil" might provide better killspeed.

Also, while Beerus' or Champa's Soul only give a specific boost to one damage type, they might outdamage other Souls once you start leaning towards dealing damage via Ki Blasts or Strike skills a little more.

Cabba's Soul is one hell of a Soul as it boosts male Saiyans' most important stat -> Basic Attack damage at a very reasonable activation condition. If you mainly use your heavy basic attacks and Strike Supers, it will most likely provide the best DPS due to the double heavy attack multiplier male Saiyans get in addition to their already high base stat.

All in all, this is a very subjective issue and depends a lot on how you play and which race you use.

[Null_User]

Originally posted by Majin Mew:

First of all, thanks for taking the time to do such an analysis.
You mentioned quite a few decent Super Souls to use.

BUT there are a few issues:

"So much more damage" is a rather vague expression. The damage differences aren't that high if you look at the damage formula. Level multiplier, attack multipliers and base values for race/sex are way more important than any boost a Soul could offer. The damage boosts from Souls are partially negligible, as other Souls might offer different advantages that eventually lead to higher DPS, regardless of missing out on boosts. Also, an L boost - while meaning: 15% - doesn't really translate to an actual 15% increase of your total damage due to how the damage formula works. Depending on other factors, 15% will translate to a real increase of like 5-7% at best.

For example, on 95% of PQs with multiple mid-high HP opponents, using "I hope you're reborn as someone good..." will yield better DPS than most other Souls due to refilling your entire Ki each time you KO someone. In other, quick PQs, Broly's "A monster? I'm a devil" might provide better killspeed.

Also, while Beerus' or Champa's Soul only give a specific boost to one damage type, they might outdamage other Souls once you start leaning towards dealing damage via Ki Blasts or Strike skills a little more.

Cabba's Soul is one hell of a Soul as it boosts male Saiyans' most important stat -> Basic Attack damage at a very reasonable activation condition. If you mainly use your heavy basic attacks and Strike Supers, it will most likely provide the best DPS due to the double heavy attack multiplier male Saiyans get in addition to their already high base stat.

All in all, this is a very subjective issue and depends a lot on how you play and which race you use.

I agree to this on specific builds, but hybrid builds that want power coming to more than one attack skill can benefit from overall souls like hate what I've become, or as you said, souls that grant instant ki recovery or stage start full ki. Or in some cases, ki auto recovery or increased ki gain from attacks.

Much depends on the stage you are using it in. Sure, you could use "I hope you are reborn..." on stages where you get to kill multiple weak enemies, as that will keep your ki topped quickly. But on stages with multiple very powerful enemies with 6 HP bars each, or the usual ultimate finish damage sponge enemies, you will be getting less returns from such a soul because you will anyway take a fair bit of time defeating a single opponent. So either a soul that grants more damage, or ki auto recovery, or increased ki recovery on attacking and being attacked, may be a better idea. Sure, those last two tasks can be given to supers like DU and Meditation unless you want more lots for utilities and attacks. Again, a build for each situation. That's why we do have a bunch of preset slots for our cacs.

[SuitUpHewgz]

I addressed the point about Champa's and Beerus's super souls.

If your build literally only does supers and ults and never, ever, ever does basic attacks, then yes, those two will be better.

However, my analysis was for hybriding. Not only mixing strikes with ki blasts, but with basic attacks and supers/ults. In *that* setup, the super souls I mentioned do more damage overall.

In terms of that Goku and Broly super souls, as well as I think that's a Vegeta soul, I agree that those are perfect for different situations.

In regards to Cabba's soul, that's XL to basics and M to strikes, right? I have to run the numbers myself, but I think that wouldn't be much stronger than L to both, since that's what the last super soul I mentioned does. It also runs the benefit of adding L boost to ki blast. So decent enough for strikes, but Kale's ss would do that same benefit and across other situations with ki blast as well.

I just wanted to take the time to explore this build on the forums since it's my main build and I wanted to share with others my thoughts.

This is just me, but I don't like switching super souls all the time just for the sake of optimizing slightly in one pq or another.

This is also because of presets. I have 8 presets, 7, plus the current equipment. I'd only be able to switch ss's quickly on the current preset, not across the other 7. So this way it's easiest if they all just have one super soul that takes care of most situations without having to be specific.

And kind of riding off of what Hanuke said, there are a lot of situations where relying on KOs is not efficient. Take the last few rounds of PQ 122. These ss's will prevail even in those situations.

[Null_User]

My 'main' is a fe-saiyan. Despite she having the lowest basic attack score, by maxing that stat you get a fairly versatile character ripe for hybrid setups. Mine is set for basic attack and strikes, emphasizing basic attack. I also have a preset that gives more power to ki blasts through change of super soul and qq bang and skills. I also have an EM setup that uses old kai's soul. Recently swapped do or die for meditation in that setup.

[SuitUpHewgz]

Originally posted by Hanuke:

My 'main' is a fe-saiyan. Despite she having the lowest basic attack score, by maxing that stat you get a fairly versatile character ripe for hybrid setups. Mine is set for basic attack and strikes, emphasizing basic attack. I also have a preset that gives more power to ki blasts through change of super soul and qq bang and skills. I also have an EM setup that uses old kai's soul. Recently swapped do or die for meditation in that setup.

My main is a fe-saiyan as well. 125 to ki, ki blast, and basics. And, just being transparent, I use a perfect qq bang, since I only do pqs and online pqs.

Each of my presets (now) uses Kale's ss that boosts all attacks (L).

All of my presets use ssgss and divinity unleashed, with ki blast ults, 2 ki blast supers, and 1 strike super.

1 of the 2 ki blast supers are generally fast acting for combos (Double sunday, handy cannon), the other is usually a chargeable or otherwise slower, stronger one (bbk, evil explosion, big bang attack). 1 of the 2 is sometimes a strong beam for the end of a knockback combo, so the beam catches them as they fly (earth splitting galick gun, kaioken kamehameha).

My strikes are also generally fast ones for combos (aura slide, justice rush, deadly dance).

All in all, my presets are super fun. Divinity Unleashed to recoup ki, using (L) boosted basic attacks to do damage and recover ki, followed up by or stringed together with (L) boosted strike and ki blast supers, and sometimes strong ults to support my allies.

I don't like the idea of focusing only on strikes or basics, or just standing back and spamming ki blasts. I like this build because it's versatile and I can change up my style no matter what pq we're doing. And my new super soul enhances that greatly.

[SuitUpHewgz]

As a side note, my presets also have themes, usually by coordinating colors/styles of moves or movesets that come specifically from one character.

Example:
My 'Vegeta' preset that wears Amy's battlesuit has these moves:

Divinity Unleashed
Final Blow
Earth Splitting Galick Gun
Big Bang Attack
Explosive Wave
Super Galick Gun
Final Flash

I combine style with efficiency with hybriding to produce the most fun I can have in the game.

[Null_User]

Well, so long as you enjoy it. Anyway. I also have a full ki blast super fe-saiyan, so that's two fe-saiyans I have. I don't have a mid fight tactic change mentality. I just go with whatever I set to do the job and use it till the PQ is done. I certainly enjoy most using basic attacks on anything I can punch, sometimes to the point of only using basic attacks on the whole PQ if I'm not pressed for time. So yeah, my basic attack fe saiyan Is the one I have the most completion in PQs, story, mentors and all that. She's also the one I do new added stuff with.

When I want to go for variations, I use another preset. If I want something even more different, I just swap characters. Other than the fe-saiyans, I have two fe-earthlings (one strike and the other ki blast), two frieza cacs (one basic attack and the other is ki blast + basic), a strike fe-majin and a basic attack namek.

[SuitUpHewgz]

Originally posted by Hanuke:

Well, so long as you enjoy it. Anyway. I also have a full ki blast super fe-saiyan, so that's two fe-saiyans I have. I don't have a mid fight tactic change mentality. I just go with whatever I set to do the job and use it till the PQ is done. I certainly enjoy most using basic attacks on anything I can punch, sometimes to the point of only using basic attacks on the whole PQ if I'm not pressed for time. So yeah, my basic attack fe saiyan Is the one I have the most completion in PQs, story, mentors and all that. She's also the one I do new added stuff with.

When I want to go for variations, I use another preset. If I want something even more different, I just swap characters. Other than the fe-saiyans, I have two fe-earthlings (one strike and the other ki blast), two frieza cacs (one basic attack and the other is ki blast + basic), a strike fe-majin and a basic attack namek.

lol shoot I only have one male saiyan other than my fe saiyan main lol. xD

[Null_User]

Originally posted by SuitUpHewgz:

Originally posted by Hanuke:

Well, so long as you enjoy it. Anyway. I also have a full ki blast super fe-saiyan, so that's two fe-saiyans I have. I don't have a mid fight tactic change mentality. I just go with whatever I set to do the job and use it till the PQ is done. I certainly enjoy most using basic attacks on anything I can punch, sometimes to the point of only using basic attacks on the whole PQ if I'm not pressed for time. So yeah, my basic attack fe saiyan Is the one I have the most completion in PQs, story, mentors and all that. She's also the one I do new added stuff with.

When I want to go for variations, I use another preset. If I want something even more different, I just swap characters. Other than the fe-saiyans, I have two fe-earthlings (one strike and the other ki blast), two frieza cacs (one basic attack and the other is ki blast + basic), a strike fe-majin and a basic attack namek.

lol shoot I only have one male saiyan other than my fe saiyan main lol. xD

I'd have more if there were more character slots. >.<

[SuitUpHewgz]

lol shoot.

Well hey how are the combo movesets like for the other races/genders? I *hated* the male saiyan moveset, especially compared to the fe saiyan. My moves can be stringed together perfectly with supers/ults on fe saiyan's combo set.

But what about the others? I might make more (and especially since save editing can cut out boring grinding) so I can have more variety.

[Null_User]

Well, frieza cac has a super easy infinite loop involving his teleport backhand (which looks sick btw) and his back hit which is a tail swipe. Namek and majin can both stretch so they have good range. Namek can hit like a truck with basic attacks under the correct setup, and he doesn't miss his attacks often, which was may main complain about male saiyan. Make a namek, give him one of the available super saiyan wigs, paint him blue, and call him a Kami. Other than the stretchy stuff, he looks the part very well because of pointed ears.

Oh, and fe-majin can be quite fast while still hitting for great damage with strike supers. She also has a set of kick back basic attacks where she poses before kicking the enemy away, camera zoom and all that.

[SuitUpHewgz]

Originally posted by Hanuke:

Well, frieza cac has a super easy infinite loop involving his teleport backhand (which looks sick btw) and his back hit which is a tail swipe. Namek and majin can both stretch so they have good range. Namek can hit like a truck with basic attacks under the correct setup, and he doesn't miss his attacks often, which was may main complain about male saiyan. Make a namek, give him one of the available super saiyan wigs, paint him blue, and call him a Kami. Other than the stretchy stuff, he looks the part very well because of pointed ears.

Oh, and fe-majin can be quite fast while still hitting for great damage with strike supers. She also has a set of kick back basic attacks where she poses before kicking the enemy away, camera zoom and all that.

Great advice! I'll keep those in mind. Might start with a frieza cac next.

[Null_User]

Originally posted by SuitUpHewgz:

Originally posted by Hanuke:

Well, frieza cac has a super easy infinite loop involving his teleport backhand (which looks sick btw) and his back hit which is a tail swipe. Namek and majin can both stretch so they have good range. Namek can hit like a truck with basic attacks under the correct setup, and he doesn't miss his attacks often, which was may main complain about male saiyan. Make a namek, give him one of the available super saiyan wigs, paint him blue, and call him a Kami. Other than the stretchy stuff, he looks the part very well because of pointed ears.

Oh, and fe-majin can be quite fast while still hitting for great damage with strike supers. She also has a set of kick back basic attacks where she poses before kicking the enemy away, camera zoom and all that.

Great advice! I'll keep those in mind. Might start with a frieza cac next.

I bet you will like the character. And you can buff basic attack and use gold form for upgraded charged ki beams that hit hard and give a lot of ki in return.

[Your Mom's Oshi]

I second that. Frieza race is just fun. Probably the best character for mixing up what you do in the middle of a fight. I like having a couple quick blasts to mix with combos and divinity unleashed to charge my ki with my normal blasts. "You and the earth..." is a decent soul for that because it is really easy to keep one bar full at all times.