Cabba's Super Soul

[Warnivore]

Does Cabba's super soul "I'll make you regret that!" make male saiyans a better choice for strike super builds than male humans? (Since in addition to increasing Strike Super strength, it also pushes basic attack strength through the roof, which is what's used most often in a fight).

[Xothian]

The super soul make super saiyan ever more strong than it is now (and it's already one of the best transformation of the game) making saiyans, without surprise, the best race of the game.

If you are an human you can counter that with kaioken now, with the new goku super soul kaioken is really really strong. And you still benefit from damage at full ki (human racial). So it depend, kaioken is the best transformation for pure dammage now, being an earthling (1er at normal attack and super strike) and full ki really make the dammage you do unbearable. But, even if you can hold kaioken x20 longer than before, it still a temporal transformation (you can hold kaioken x1 indefinitly now and x3 don't consume stamina anymore with the goku super soul).

So i really don't know, both are really strong now. Kaioken is the new beast mode but it's temporal when super saiyan 3 is permanent. I think both are a good choice.


Edit: In another hand, and without a surprise, namekians and majins have now, definitly, the worst transformation in the game and are the worst species to play with (worst offensives stats and not even a decent transformation).

[Tiny Tyrant]

For Strike builds? No, not really. If my knowledge on the terminology is right, Cabba's Super Soul only gives a medium increase to Strike Supers, calling it an increase to "melee" attacks. It's not a massive increase, 10%, and I believe there are better Super Souls for Strike Supers.

In terms of raw punching power though, Cabba's Super Soul makes SSJ3 absurd, increasing basic (normal) attack damage by 20%.

In a 1v1 fight a Saiyan will still have the edge overall, but Male Humans should still be better for Strike Supers.

[Null_User]

This soul works wonders even for Cabba himself. I don't have a male saiyan but for my fe-saiyan, her basic attack got such a makeover they are almost good as a pure basic attack setup, and they have the weakest basic attack in the game... Male earthling (and earthlings in general) got a bit nerfed in my opinion. They are not top stats in anything right now though they can still play the jack of trades game better than most other races.

This soul adds a M rank which according to the numbers guide is a 10% buff, to strike supers, and an XL rank (20%) buff to basic attack. If you are a male saiyan and want to focus solely on strike supers "Goku the legendary super saiyan" is still a good alternative. Though Cabba's soul still has the basic attack buff, and since everyone has to use basic attacks for this or for that, it's a versatile soul...... If only it worked on all awakened forms and not just SSJ....

[Xothian]

Originally posted by Tiny Tyrant:

For Strike builds? No, not really. If my knowledge on the terminology is right, Cabba's Super Soul only gives a medium increase to Strike Supers, calling it an increase to "melee" attacks. It's not a massive increase, 10%, and I believe there are better Super Souls for Strike Supers.

In terms of raw punching power though, Cabba's Super Soul makes SSJ3 absurd, increasing basic (normal) attack damage by 20%.

Cabee super soul:

Boost normal attacks (XL) =20%
Boost strike attack (M) =10%

-SSj3 already boost strike and normal attack to 20% making a bonus to 40% in normal attack and 30% in strike.

Goku super soul:
Boost ki recovery (XL)
Increase stamina regen (M)
Boost normal attack (M)


After looking on the number guide i saw that kaioken x20 only add +15% to all dammage dealt and you take +30% dammage. So, for sum up Kaioken seems to be behind SSj3 in term of bonus. In a nutshell SSj3 seems to be the best choice here and the most powerful transformation in the game right now (saiyan favoritism have you said?)


AND THEY WANT SUPER SAIYAN BLUE!!!

[Null_User]

Only that the new kaioken soul works only on kaioken. Not on SSJ...
The Goku soul I was referring to was the old "Goku the legendary super saiyan" which only adds an L (15%) boost to strike supers.

[Tiny Tyrant]

I didn't think Super Saiyan ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with Strike Supers at all, hmm. At any rate, Saiyan Males have much lower base Strike Super damage than Human Males; in fact iirc Saiyan Females actually have better base Strike Super damage than Males do.

Could be wrong, but I believe Human Males still have the edge in Strike Supers.

[Null_User]

Originally posted by Tiny Tyrant:

I didn't think Super Saiyan ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with Strike Supers at all, hmm. At any rate, Saiyan Males have much lower base Strike Super damage than Human Males; in fact iirc Saiyan Females actually have better base Strike Super damage than Males do.

Could be wrong, but I believe Human Males still have the edge in Strike Supers.

Indeed, Male earthling has a better starting strike supers stat. It's up for testing though, what the addition of super souls and transformations will change for them. Most likely, since there's so few souls that raise the strike super stat reliably for non super saiyans (actually none that add it through an "always" nor "when awoken" nature) , I'd assume that male saiyan would simply close the gap (but not surpass it) against a male earthling.

Now, earthlings have a 5% buff when at full ki, but that only works on basic attacks and evasives (and the two ults that use no ki), since supers use ki and kill that buff on activation. In XV1, male earthling was the top basic attacker from the start, now dropped to fourth place below male Saiyan, frieza, namekian and fe-majin. At strike supers they are second, only behind female majin by a small margin with male saiyan near the bottom of the barrel. BUT, stat balance here is not as wild as in XV1, so the races are all pretty close in stats, but separate enough for a min maxer to still get a big edge if adding enough buffs to a race's top single stat.

[Black_Knight]

Originally posted by Mr moonlight:

The super soul make super saiyan ever more strong than it is now (and it's already one of the best transformation of the game) making saiyans, without surprise, the best race of the game.

If you are an human you can counter that with kaioken now, with the new goku super soul kaioken is really really strong. And you still benefit from damage at full ki (human racial). So it depend, kaioken is the best transformation for pure dammage now, being an earthling (1er at normal attack and super strike) and full ki really make the dammage you do unbearable. But, even if you can hold kaioken x20 longer than before, it still a temporal transformation (you can hold kaioken x1 indefinitly now and x3 don't consume stamina anymore with the goku super soul).

So i really don't know, both are really strong now. Kaioken is the new beast mode but it's temporal when super saiyan 3 is permanent. I think both are a good choice.


Edit: In another hand, and without a surprise, namekians and majins have now, definitly, the worst transformation in the game and are the worst species to play with (worst offensives stats and not even a decent transformation).

I find PU a lot more useful than Kaioken as Kaioken makes you take a lot more damage while PU reduces damage and it only becomes on par with PU damage on Kaioken x3. Sure, the stamina usage reduction is useful, but not too much if you know how to manage it.

[Warnivore]

Originally posted by Hanuke:

Originally posted by Tiny Tyrant:

I didn't think Super Saiyan ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with Strike Supers at all, hmm. At any rate, Saiyan Males have much lower base Strike Super damage than Human Males; in fact iirc Saiyan Females actually have better base Strike Super damage than Males do.

Could be wrong, but I believe Human Males still have the edge in Strike Supers.

Indeed, Male earthling has a better starting strike supers stat. It's up for testing though, what the addition of super souls and transformations will change for them. Most likely, since there's so few souls that raise the strike super stat reliably for non super saiyans (actually none that add it through an "always" nor "when awoken" nature) , I'd assume that male saiyan would simply close the gap (but not surpass it) against a male earthling.

Now, earthlings have a 5% buff when at full ki, but that only works on basic attacks and evasives (and the two ults that use no ki), since supers use ki and kill that buff on activation. In XV1, male earthling was the top basic attacker from the start, now dropped to fourth place below male Saiyan, frieza, namekian and fe-majin. At strike supers they are second, only behind female majin by a small margin with male saiyan near the bottom of the barrel. BUT, stat balance here is not as wild as in XV1, so the races are all pretty close in stats, but separate enough for a min maxer to still get a big edge if adding enough buffs to a race's top single stat.

What ults are you referring to that use no ki?

[Tiny Tyrant]

"The Last Emperor" is an Ult that uses no Ki, but it can only be used under certain conditions.

[Warnivore]

Originally posted by Tiny Tyrant:

"The Last Emperor" is an Ult that uses no Ki, but it can only be used under certain conditions.

oh, I see. thanks!

[Citizen Fish]

So would you guys say Cabba's soul is better or "Goku the Legendary Super Saiyan" is?

[Tiny Tyrant]

Cabba's is better, I believe. I would have to check though to be sure.