Are humans strong in Dragon ball?

[B L A N K]

Is there any chance where if a human trains for 5-10 years that they can be as strong as a super saiyan or super saiyan 2?

It seems like they can progress and get a lot stronger than a saiyan would! It was a bit of a shame that Akira Toriyama threw them out of the bus and he wrote about the saiyans having the advantage over the humans(Including namakiens also).

[Player Zer01]

no. at peak physical condition a human could barely fight a sayian in normal form. even with unlocked potential it couldnt get any higher. in the DB universe humans (for universe 7) were never able to get that strong even with intense training. the strongest humans on earth are krillen, tien, and master roshi. 17 and 18 dont count as they are cyborgs.

[Bottom of the Well]

Show wise Krillin is strongest human. Game wise they are levels of gods

[Player Zer01]

Originally posted by Belle:

Show wise Krillin is strongest human. Game wise they are levels of gods

tien is stronger than krillen unless i missed something. he never stopped trainning, krillen did.

[Bottom of the Well]

Originally posted by Noble_One:

Originally posted by Belle:

Show wise Krillin is strongest human. Game wise they are levels of gods

tien is stronger than krillen unless i missed something. he never stopped trainning, krillen did.

Tori said in an interview krillin is strongest human

[Player Zer01]

Originally posted by Belle:

Originally posted by Noble_One:

tien is stronger than krillen unless i missed something. he never stopped trainning, krillen did.

Tori said in an interview krillin is strongest human

yea i rememebr that but that was way long ago. with tien constant training and krillen just getting back into into im finding that hard to believe lol.

[Rutabaga]

The reason Krillin is considered the strongest Human, is because Toriyama said at some point that Tien isn't Human. He is however still an Earthling, which is the general classification for the sapient races of Earth in the DB Universe. This can go from Half-Saiyans like Gohan, Three Eyed Hybrids like Tien, Humans like Krillin and Roshi, Enhanced Humans like 17 and 18, all the way to the various animal people in the franchise.

It is debatable who is stronger between Tien and Krillin as of now. However this is only as of late, as in the Buu saga Tien was clearly stronger (as Krillin "hung up his belt" by that time). However from Namek to the Cell saga Krillin was stronger, especially when considering the boost he got from Guru.

[Player Zer01]

Originally posted by Deus infidelitatis, Abhor:

The reason Krillin is considered the strongest Human, is because Toriyama said at some point that Tien isn't Human. He is however still an Earthling, which is the general classification for the sapient races of Earth in the DB Universe. This can go from Half-Saiyans like Gohan, Three Eyed Hybrids like Tien, Humans like Krillin and Roshi, Enhanced Humans like 17 and 18, all the way to the various animal people in the franchise.

It is debatable who is stronger between Tien and Krillin as of now. However this is only as of late, as in the Buu saga Tien was clearly stronger (as Krillin "hung up his belt" by that time). However from Namek to the Cell saga Krillin was stronger, especially when considering the boost he got from Guru.

thats the point im talking about even into super krillen stopped trainning all together as tien did not. now for the stuff on tien not being human that would require some digging but at the same time there are people like chaitzu. being if tien is classed as human he has the belt for being the strongest to me. without spoilers from the manga we'll see what the tournament of power gives us.

[Nekron]

Saiyans>hybrid(human/sayian)> Frieza clan> namekians > human

You could argue uub but he is not technically human but a reincarnation of buu who then merges with the other buu. Flat out humans will max out at roshi/krillian. So I guess humans in dbz have early potental greater then any other but the lowest max power. Which is why gohan went ssj as a teen and then goten going as a child while vegeta and goku were adults, even krillian was on gokus level as kids. But th hybrids cap out at ssj2(aside from gotenks fusing) while pure saiyans are limitless it seems.

Pure saiyans(in the show) are the undisputed most powerful race in all realitys, which is why A. there is so few of them left in every single universe(to much of a threat) and B. at the tournament when goku went ssj god every single kai, angel and god of destruction freaked out.

As for tien the offical story is he is technically human but from a clan of fighters born with 3 eyes, so you could say he is an enhanced human.

[✚ Mariel ✚]

What about Unlock Potential? That's the same as Gohan's Mystic form right?

[Player Zer01]

Originally posted by Kiri:

What about Unlock Potential? That's the same as Gohan's Mystic form right?

lol no gohans mystic is waaaaaaaaay higher than unlock potential.

[brawler]

Originally posted by Kiri:

What about Unlock Potential? That's the same as Gohan's Mystic form right?

Originally posted by Noble_One:

Originally posted by Kiri:

What about Unlock Potential? That's the same as Gohan's Mystic form right?

lol no gohans mystic is waaaaaaaaay higher than unlock potential.

Unlocked Potential, Mystic, Ultimate Form, all are the same power up, just different names.

[Player Zer01]

Originally posted by Brawler:

Originally posted by Kiri:

What about Unlock Potential? That's the same as Gohan's Mystic form right?

Originally posted by Noble_One:

lol no gohans mystic is waaaaaaaaay higher than unlock potential.

Unlocked Potential, Mystic, Ultimate Form, all are the same power up, just different names.

games wise yes but this is not really about the game.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Pretty sure Tien is more powerful than Krillin,,,

But for the power of Humans, I think its on an individual basis on how strong they can get... Everyone gets shafted in the canon proper because Goku needs to be a mary sue who can never really lose a fight...

The Human CaCs are probably supposed a like one in a billion in how powerful they are in comparison to the average... But the game being built partially on an MMO, there's trillions just like it running around.

[Rutabaga]

Originally posted by Noble_One:

Originally posted by Brawler:

Unlocked Potential, Mystic, Ultimate Form, all are the same power up, just different names.

games wise yes but this is not really about the game.

Actually they pretty much are the same (like the several many Kamehamehas, they're just used/contolled in different ways). What Guru did to Gohan is essentially what Elder Kai did. The only difference is the Gohan who had been unlocked and possibly how much was unlocked. Even Elder kai states that it will only make him stronger if he has the potential to, essentially how strong Gohan could be in his current body. This also brings up the chance that Guru didn't or couldn't completely unlock Gohan's potential, as Gohan clearly got stronger with his anger (which wouldn't happen with Elder Kai's unlocking). So Guru may have just opened his reserves a bit, whilst Elder Kai simply smashed it down.

However it is obvious that if you don't use it, you lose it. Gohan post Z has clearly lost the ability to utilize his full potential at will, which is obvious as he can go Super Saiyan again. So many people fail to remember that Gohan was in severe danger and stood no chance against Super Buu once Gotenks was absorbed. The fact that he didn't go Super Saiyan at that time means he couldn't. So if a Earthling got their potential unleashed by Elder Kai, they would have to be like Tien who never stopped training (which would make him the best Earthling to unlock, so long as he does have potential he cannot access).

Overall though, currently the non-Saiyan and non-Enhanced Earthlings have only gotten as strong as Frieza's elite. Though some have unique techniques that allow them to harass those stronger than them. Such as Tien's Tri-beam and Taiyoken/Solar Flare, one of which is shared through most of the cast. Roshi alone has many techniques that would fall under said catagory as well (GO ROSHI!).

@CaptainLagbeard
The fact you say Goku is a mary sue who never loses means you clearly haven't watched or simply don't remember the franchise (and likely only know the series through TFS). Goku has lost on a multitude of times (SPOILERS):

Against Pilaf
Against Roshi - Jackie Chun
Against Tao
Against Tien Shinhan
Against Tambourine
Against King Piccolo
Against Piccolo/Raditz (a bit odd to place this one, he died because of Piccolo's attack because of Raditz's involvement)
Against Android 19
Against Perfect Cell
Against Majin Vegeta
Against Beerus
Against Sorbet, ordered by Frieza
Against Frost
Against Hit, by technicality and that Hit could still fight whilst Goku could not
Against Goku Black and Zamasu, forced to retreat
Against Goku Black, timeline Goku Black was created
Against Goku Black and Zamasu, again forced to retreat
Against Merged Zamasu, forced them to retreat to fuse
Against Merged Zamasu, the fusion wore off and they could no longer fight

I may even be forgetting some, but these are the main ones.

[Player Zer01]

Originally posted by Deus infidelitatis, Abhor:

Originally posted by Noble_One:

games wise yes but this is not really about the game.

Actually they pretty much are the same (like the several many Kamehamehas, they're just used/contolled in different ways). What Guru did to Gohan is essentially what Elder Kai did. The only difference is the Gohan who had been unlocked and possibly how much was unlocked. Even Elder kai states that it will only make him stronger if he has the potential to, essentially how strong Gohan could be in his current body. This also brings up the chance that Guru didn't or couldn't completely unlock Gohan's potential, as Gohan clearly got stronger with his anger (which wouldn't happen with Elder Kai's unlocking). So Guru may have just opened his reserves a bit, whilst Elder Kai simply smashed it down.

However it is obvious that if you don't use it, you lose it. Gohan post Z has clearly lost the ability to utilize his full potential at will, which is obvious as he can go Super Saiyan again. So many people fail to remember that Gohan was in severe danger and stood no chance against Super Buu once Gotenks was absorbed. The fact that he didn't go Super Saiyan at that time means he couldn't. So if a Earthling got their potential unleashed by Elder Kai, they would have to be like Tien who never stopped training (which would make him the best Earthling to unlock, so long as he does have potential he cannot access).

Overall though, currently the non-Saiyan and non-Enhanced Earthlings have only gotten as strong as Frieza's elite. Though some have unique techniques that allow them to harass those stronger than them. Such as Tien's Tri-beam and Taiyoken/Solar Flare, one of which is shared through most of the cast. Roshi alone has many techniques that would fall under said catagory as well (GO ROSHI!).

@CaptainLagbeard
The fact you say Goku is a mary sue who never loses means you clearly haven't watched or simply don't remember the franchise (and likely only know the series through TFS). Goku has lost on a multitude of times (SPOILERS):

Against Pilaf
Against Roshi - Jackie Chun
Against Tao
Against Tien Shinhan
Against Tambourine
Against King Piccolo
Against Piccolo/Raditz (a bit odd to place this one, he died because of Piccolo's attack because of Raditz's involvement)
Against Android 19
Against Perfect Cell
Against Majin Vegeta
Against Beerus
Against Sorbet, ordered by Frieza
Against Frost
Against Hit, by technicality and that Hit could still fight whilst Goku could not
Against Goku Black and Zamasu, forced to retreat
Against Goku Black, timeline Goku Black was created
Against Goku Black and Zamasu, again forced to retreat
Against Merged Zamasu, forced them to retreat to fuse
Against Merged Zamasu, the fusion wore off and they could no longer fight

I may even be forgetting some, but these are the main ones.

ill give you that its just a stronger version of gurus unlock poteintial to a degree. but i will tell you that youre wrong gohan not going ssj during the figh with super buu. it wasnt that he couldnt, it was that he already was. mytic form allowed him to utilize his power of ssj without the hair change. essentially he was 2.5 (or 3 as some state) but with no blonde. this is explained in the show and manga.

as for your list some are wrong as piccolo/raditz was a loss since without him holding raditz they wouldnt have won. the fight with majin vegeta everyone knows goku wouldve won as he could go ssj3, he hid it to not hurt vegeta (or rush buu but that failed). the figh with tien is deabatable as it was a draw but goku hit the ground first. sorbet shooting goku hardly counts lol. the rest are accurate though.