What is the problem with transformations??

[Tcheipow]

I really don`t understand the real problem that developers have about transformations in this game... why dont put a transformation on base Black to Rose black or base goku to ssg goku... why make a brand new character?? Bojack will come without a transformation, freeza a brand new character for base form, final form and 100% final form, cell first form, cell perfect, Etc. etc.. My question is: Why they don't put a transformation in this characters, or even to CaC??

[NorseiTenshi]

prob because it makes too much change to a character? i dont know xd maybe prob with physics or just they dont want player to say they want the transformation if they add it so goku or vegeta can transform into it (sorry i'm saying ♥♥♥♥ xd ) to tell the truth i'm wondering myself. i think i would understand for freezer but for goku or vegeta they could do exactly like their ssj normal i mean the hair of goku spike up so why not do like ssj xd prob because the stat is differents

[Tar]

different mechanics different models differnet skill set, needs more loading, would increase LAG my guess...

it doesnt matter anyways really...its a fighting game its all about mechanics and balance, too many poeple thinks its a dragon ball game first, and then fighting game second, its a fighting game first that is why there lots of elements that doesnt match dragon ball show, creators are more focused to make sure that this fighting game is some what balanced and playable, and on top of it they skin this fighting game with dragon ball theme so it would sell....

[Apathy]

Because the original Black is a preorder character and therefore not everyone bought him. Even accounting for the preorder DLC being up for purchase not everyone bought him and it's not bundled in with the season pass. People would get really mad about paying for SS Rose Black in DLC 3 and not getting him because it's just an addon for his base form. There are other reasons for it as well. My only real issue with transformations is that the AI ignores them so it's like having a wasted skill.

[NorseiTenshi]

Originally posted by Apathy:

Because the original Black is a preorder character and therefore not everyone bought him. Even accounting for the preorder DLC being up for purchase not everyone bought him and it's not bundled in with the season pass. People would get really mad about paying for SS Rose Black in DLC 3 and not getting him because it's just an addon for his base form. There are other reasons for it as well. My only real issue with transformations is that the AI ignores them so it's like having a wasted skill.

we got a new unique character ^^ his new playstyle is very different and he got unique skillz except his ssr black kamehameha that gonna be available for cac

[The Dead Weight]

It definitely is not due to because it's too hard. There are literally mods out there that add new transformations. One example is GT Goku into SS4 Goku, and guess what? When he goes SS4, everything changes, his moveset, skills, voice, etc.

[Tar]

Originally posted by Someguy:

It definitely is not due to because it's too hard. There are literally mods out there that add new transformations. One example is GT Goku into SS4 Goku, and guess what? When he goes SS4, everything changes, his moveset, skills, voice, etc.

well yeah moders maintain no responsability over their mods, a mod you installed may work today, and next day destroy your PC and there is nothing you can do against that person (legaly xD)...
when it comes to multi million $ business every single elements of the game becomes a very expensive to develope

[NorseiTenshi]

Originally posted by Tar:

Originally posted by Someguy:

It definitely is not due to because it's too hard. There are literally mods out there that add new transformations. One example is GT Goku into SS4 Goku, and guess what? When he goes SS4, everything changes, his moveset, skills, voice, etc.

well yeah moders maintain no responsability over their mods, a mod you installed may work today, and next day destroy your PC and there is nothing you can do against that person (legaly xD)...
when it comes to multi million $ business every single elements of the game becomes a very expensive to develope

So we technicly to give them our wallet so they make the ultimate game?

[Tcheipow]

well I was wondering myself to... I understand some issues due transformations can add to a game, but it's not that hard to dev., it's not that difficult to make mods... For me avoid transformations really don't make any sense, the developers seems to avoid all kinds of transformations, not just Black, but all characters... And AI seems to ignore the existent ones...

[Smithers]

Originally posted by Tar:

Originally posted by Someguy:

It definitely is not due to because it's too hard. There are literally mods out there that add new transformations. One example is GT Goku into SS4 Goku, and guess what? When he goes SS4, everything changes, his moveset, skills, voice, etc.

well yeah moders maintain no responsability over their mods, a mod you installed may work today, and next day destroy your PC and there is nothing you can do against that person (legaly xD)...
when it comes to multi million $ business every single elements of the game becomes a very expensive to develope

Unless the modder is a psychotic genius there's no way a simple transformation mod would destroy your PC.

There are limitations on what can be done with transformations, but base Goku Black > SSR Goku Black featuring a moveset and skillset swap is very simple.

Also the AI refuses to use transformations which sucks, so I can definitely understand wanting to have states being separate characters.

[Tcheipow]

One of the best things in dbz games in my opinion is transformations... :/

Well the fact thar AI refuses to use transformations is very simple to solve, just add 1 or 2 comand lines...:

if AI_Health is < 70% {
Use awoken skill;
}

simple ;) but who knows why dev refuses to fixed this and even more, are against tranformations in general...

[Flan]

the only way ai can go transformations is ..
swap his ultimate skill with transformations skill, like Xenoverse 1.

[Tcheipow]

Originally posted by Nepudding 🍮:

the only way ai can go transformations is ..
swap his ultimate skill with transformations skill, like Xenoverse 1.

it's strange why they don't change the code...

[Tar]

Originally posted by Genji:

Originally posted by Tar:

well yeah moders maintain no responsability over their mods, a mod you installed may work today, and next day destroy your PC and there is nothing you can do against that person (legaly xD)...
when it comes to multi million $ business every single elements of the game becomes a very expensive to develope

So we technicly to give them our wallet so they make the ultimate game?

lol yea, and nah, you also need time

[Reu]

Also another thing is that you don't want to force players to play as a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ "base" form to get to the form that actually has the moveset they want, sure you can let them choose at start but then unless none of these transformations have a buff that would give players an advantage, and if it didn't give a buff there's no real incentive to keep it as transformation only.

[Tcheipow]

Originally posted by Reu:

Also another thing is that you don't want to force players to play as a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ "base" form to get to the form that actually has the moveset they want, sure you can let them choose at start but then unless none of these transformations have a buff that would give players an advantage, and if it didn't give a buff there's no real incentive to keep it as transformation only.

well and if I want to start a fight with freeza first form and then go to the final form?? Its simple to do that, like ssj awoken based on Ki levels. The game itself have some things like an RPG, I really don't see a problem some tranformations gave us advantage. Like ssj already gave us... (stk, super, etc) and have they downsides like ssj3 ki regen. It's really cool if the game have some creative ways to farm some transformations like tecnics, when better Awoken skill is, more difficult to get, or something like that...

But technically speaking, I think Namco really has some problems with developers, you can see for example in fusions, the characters do not do during the fight, instead of a simple animation they put the character going away and returning transformed / fused with a very poor cut scene ... very strange....