Special beams off in measurement, cant align cross beams

[xSquishx]

So tried using the special 15 and 45 degree beams to make an octagon shaped ship, but parts would not align so i did some comparisons and found that the special beams are off in measurement, at least compared to all other components. in the formation of a 360 degree circle, the measurement totaled what appeared to be close to around 1cm off so everything else was off as well and would not line up on it. i would post a screenshot but not sure how on steam discussions.

[Devilwhale]

I was able to only use the 45 beams, and only in pairs. With the 15 you might need 6 to make it line up again. Either way it is hard to line things up with custom structures, you can use bolts and plates to connect odd angles but it takes a huge amount of extra effort to crush durability errors.

Till this is a bit easier, I think the majority of working ships will be square or blocky by nature.
We will see, maybe they can make a free form beam system like the pipes, smaller segments but still weldable even though they are not perfectly aligned.

The other way would be by adding a scale x y z factor to any part, adjusting the volume for materials as well, but allowing for perfect snapping and any sized plates etc. I think
Avorion,
https://store.steampowered.com/app/445220/Avorion/
Starship evo
https://store.steampowered.com/app/711980/Starship_EVO/

if a path based render is used for the parts, it would cut down on the amount of entities in a ship, and you would only need to break it up on damage, which could be predefined segments like the size of a ore chunk. Would allow for more organic ships to be made with out doing a ton of math or millions of bolts and duct tape to get it to work.

[Akil]

It's a bit offtopic, but thx m8 for those games. I'm hopping to Avarion now. It looks way better than this failure of "mmo".

[Devilwhale]

err, that is not what I was saying at all. I was saying this game would benefit from a procedural mesh renderer that keeps entity counts down, while allowing for more organic structure's.

I am not knocking starbase or those others games, just comparing technologies in ship building.

Honestly starbase imo is one of the most potential mmo's to come out, where players can make content and systems that do not exist, you literally can add your own game mechanics. Sure it is technical and figity right now, but as players get the hang of it, more and more public based systems will evolve, like gps and nav systems all player made.

[b0nehead]

if you ever have an end that doesn't meet then you need to split both sides of the beam before that point using the normal angled beams. The curve in the angle adds a tiny bit of space and will match the offset.

So it will look like this (in game looks like an x wing beam intersection)

_/\__/\_

Instead of

__ __

[Devilwhale]

Originally posted by Wanted514:

if you ever have an end that doesn't meet then you need to split both sides of the beam before that point using the normal angled beams. The curve in the angle adds a tiny bit of space and will match the offset.

So it will look like this (in game looks like an x wing beam intersection)

_/\__/\_

Instead of

__ __

going to try that, thanks I have need for rounded or hex / oct shapes, to support my 3 axis pivot pilot chair.

just like the mounts, turntables, and so on, it does help to try other parts to find out what fits best. I just didn't think about that in beams.

[reynord.gyllo]

I only tried to build a ship and this game has the crappy build system I have tried to play, even the tricks of gluing the beams together don't meet all the requirements to do what we want ... where I spend 1 hour for nothing even a space engineer I produce 10 times more ....

I think they need to review their beam and plate model

[reynord.gyllo]

Originally posted by Devilwhale:

I was able to only use the 45 beams, and only in pairs. With the 15 you might need 6 to make it line up again. Either way it is hard to line things up with custom structures, you can use bolts and plates to connect odd angles but it takes a huge amount of extra effort to crush durability errors.

Till this is a bit easier, I think the majority of working ships will be square or blocky by nature.
We will see, maybe they can make a free form beam system like the pipes, smaller segments but still weldable even though they are not perfectly aligned.

The other way would be by adding a scale x y z factor to any part, adjusting the volume for materials as well, but allowing for perfect snapping and any sized plates etc. I think
Avorion,
https://store.steampowered.com/app/445220/Avorion/
Starship evo
https://store.steampowered.com/app/711980/Starship_EVO/

if a path based render is used for the parts, it would cut down on the amount of entities in a ship, and you would only need to break it up on damage, which could be predefined segments like the size of a ore chunk. Would allow for more organic ships to be made with out doing a ton of math or millions of bolts and duct tape to get it to work.

you are right i think that really better with starship build system [phone]

[reynord.gyllo]

I think it is necessary to add the possibility of changing the size of the beams (length) and the plates (height, width length)

and managed the angles by overlapping plates at worst.

3 days that I am blocked because I have a few centimeters impossible to fill

I think this is the worst construction game I have ever played

[b0nehead]

Originally posted by reynord.gyllo:

I think it is necessary to add the possibility of changing the size of the beams (length) and the plates (height, width length)

and managed the angles by overlapping plates at worst.

3 days that I am blocked because I have a few centimeters impossible to fill

I think this is the worst construction game I have ever played

The solution provided here and in other threads. All beams match.

I provided the solution already..and it's been a few days i see it in other threads too. People are figuring it out.

Sure it can be better and on their official forums they have new welding method coming soon.

[Devilwhale]

official forums? You mean they have another site besides the wiki and steam to have people chat about the game? They don't share that info here on steam. That is lame. Where is this official forums site and why didn't they post it on the steam forums?

Steam is where I bought the game, and I do not see any other links beside wiki and discord.

Already refuse to use discord, I am not a fan of it or 3rd party communities that have different information then the main (official forums) which I consider to be the steam forums, where I purchased the game, specifically for the social and technical integration that steam offers.

I feel neglected as a steam user by companies that do this, it feels like your trying to take advantage of the steams popularity and public view, but your not supporting the core features of why it is so popular in the first place. I love the innovation of the game, but things like this, and lack of answering questions, general silence of information, and the use of 3rd party tools where there is already an existing infrastructure, are huge red flags to me, and are not worth my time investment.

I am not even saying not use discord, for those that like it, it is fine, but to have to rely on it or other 3rd party apps to get support or learn how to play the game, it is not okay.

[DivineEvil]

Originally posted by Devilwhale:

official forums? You mean they have another site besides the wiki and steam to have people chat about the game? They don't share that info here on steam. That is lame. Where is this official forums site and why didn't they post it on the steam forums?

Steam is where I bought the game, and I do not see any other links beside wiki and discord.

All links are always provided on the Store Page. You know, the one where you buy the game.

Originally posted by Devilwhale:

Already refuse to use discord, I am not a fan of it or 3rd party communities that have different information then the main (official forums) which I consider to be the steam forums, where I purchased the game, specifically for the social and technical integration that steam offers.

Steam is a publishing platform. It offers its social/technical integations by default, but these are only needed for games, that do not have some of their own. What you consider what is beside the point.

Originally posted by Devilwhale:

I feel neglected as a steam user by companies that do this, it feels like your trying to take advantage of the steams popularity and public view, but your not supporting the core features of why it is so popular in the first place. I love the innovation of the game, but things like this, and lack of answering questions, general silence of information, and the use of 3rd party tools where there is already an existing infrastructure, are huge red flags to me, and are not worth my time investment.

This part is outright stupid. Companies "that do this" have their own sites/platforms years before they publish their games on Steam. They don't owe Steam anything for what they didn't needed to begin with. Discord is one of the best current social platforms for games or otherwise.

Originally posted by Devilwhale:

I am not even saying not use discord, for those that like it, it is fine, but to have to rely on it or other 3rd party apps to get support or learn how to play the game, it is not okay.

If you cannot get support or advise because you're looking in a wrong place, that's your personal problem. Nobody is obligated to adjust to your taste in social tools, and frankly, most people who have a long-term experience in Discord see it as far superior social platform than any forum, while Steam Discussions have been regarded by many as "just the place where people whine into the void".