Shadowverse

Shadowverse

IC XC NI KA Aug 22, 2021 @ 2:13am
Runecraft ruin the UNLIMITED format
There are a lot of people complaining about Rune and I am one of them, I've played this game almost since the begining and i am currently Master in UNLIMITED.
This class was okay at first but now it is top tier for too long and it's breaking the purpose of the format, making it not fun and stupid. It is so strong that it restrain too much the meta to be too early and agro; there's no more midrange or late possibilities because of them, because with D-Shift they make you loose instantly at their turn 6.

Spellboost Rune is unfair because of cards like Kaleidoscopic Glow which can make you waste your turn two or three if they have it, it's a card too good that protect them too much in early and of course giving them a draw and spellboost. So with only this card, they prevent you to play in early game, so think about it, it is a card that can buy time for two or three turns and they have a win condition turn 6 so 6-3 = 3 more turns to survive for them or 3 turns more for you to kill them. There's almost no one who can do the miracle of beating 20hp in tree turns if you've been return one card each turn for tree turns. This garbage is not even legendary it is a bronze one. The truth is that the support is too good, and their legendaries too broken : Maiser (why did they up him ?), Runie, D-shift of course and now Isabelle ?

Isabelle is not fine, it is a GodTier card, and she is the only broken new card that came out the mini-expansion. Wanna know why ? I'll tell you, it is a 7 effects card :

1)Fusion Runecraft followers (so they can't burn cards anymore in case they draw too much)

2)Put a Quadra Magic in your hand clean board of 2 dammage giving Element of Creation if 7 spellboost.

3)Element of Creation : the most broken effect; for 5 pp deals 10 to leader and restaure 10 hp to your leader + leader effect not really interesting but still give you 4 extra turns after you draw the Reaper.

4)Put a insight in your hand, eventually you don't need to put insight in your deck since it can be generated with that, you got 3 more rooms for something else.

5)Put Crimson Sorcery in your hand

6) Evolve put Fate's Hand to your hand then spellboost your hand once, then recover a pp.

7)Isabelle is a body 3/3 for 3pp with full evo gain stats wich cost only 2 because of the pp she makes you recover when evolved wich can be counted as an extra effect.
To be honnest you can divide some effects because some of these cards have multiples in one but thats the idea.

What the hell is this insane card ? You can play it in every kind of Rune deck and it is even stronger than D-Shift because it is more reliable. Your win condition is just to double Element of creation, or just one and then burn and storm.

Everyone is playing Rune in the ladder or Wrath blood it is so boring and disgusting. My ten last game was like 8 rune players and 2 Wrath blood which is the only one who can beat it because it is too fast for them. But for the others they require absolute high roll to hope to win against them because there are no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ counters to Rune but insane early game. We enter a bad cycle where the games will become shorter and shorter and the fun disapeared. I am not interested in playing 80% of my games against Rune, so it is easy, or you balance the problematic cards or you give us ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ counters or continue buff Rune again and they will win turn 4 next expansion.
< >
Showing 1-15 of 85 comments
Hex: Indirect Kiss Aug 23, 2021 @ 10:08am 
I get turn 5'd by Runecraft once they take their 6th turn and they double drop D-shift.

Limiting D-shift is my solution so I can at least *-play-* :praisesun:
IC XC NI KA Aug 23, 2021 @ 10:47am 
There's a lot they can do to resolve it like indeed as you said limiting D-♥♥♥♥ to 1 only or making it a 30 cost to delay them. Same for Isabelle, a follower so strong for only pp3 that is playable in every Rune deck with a win condition included and so many advantages it's just insane, i don't know what they were thinking, it's like the devs don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about UNLIMITED.
Last edited by IC XC NI KA; Aug 25, 2021 @ 8:42am
Andraste's Grace Aug 24, 2021 @ 7:38pm 
Unlimited is like a dumpster. Even rotation become dumpster now.
VampireNeko Sep 3, 2021 @ 6:40pm 
this mini expansion is a joke ... the new legendaries are broken.. they combo with evriting , except for Luna ... she just sucks hard.

sadly there is space only for meta , fun is no more allowed.

korytoombs Sep 3, 2021 @ 11:17pm 
Element of Creation ? Really. I had a guy play that 2 times in one game, he later conceded when I still hadn't died because of all my life gain.

D-Shift, just play agro.
IC XC NI KA Sep 4, 2021 @ 12:30am 
Originally posted by VampireNeko:
this mini expansion is a joke ... the new legendaries are broken.. they combo with evriting , except for Luna ... she just sucks hard.

sadly there is space only for meta , fun is no more allowed.

Personaly, in Unlimited, I think only Isabelle is broken and erika and Yuwan are just barely good. Rowen is garbage, Luna is trash, Eris is trash, and Arisa I can't say.



Originally posted by korytoombs:
Element of Creation ? Really. I had a guy play that 2 times in one game, he later conceded when I still hadn't died because of all my life gain.

D-Shift, just play agro.

You can't just say it's not broken because you beat it sometimes with highroll dude. Everyone play's that ♥♥♥♥ for a good reason and there's tons of different version around that Isabelle.

Against D-Shift play aggro ? Really ? You never saw the version they play Isabelle in D-Shift ? You get your board as aggro like turn 3-4 and they just anihilate it all with Quadra Magic. And with Element of Creation they recover 10hp so your burst was useless.

Even without it it's not the way they should arrange the meta by making people play aggro cause they're just making a step back where people only played Aggro Blood Wrath and D-shift because it's the only thing which can beat Rune without highroll.
korytoombs Sep 4, 2021 @ 1:51am 
Based on my decks, this is how they stack up to other decks inmo.
Comparing D-Shift / Blood / Portal

Amataz vs. D-shift 60/40
Amataz vs. Blood 30/70
Amataz vs. Portal 40/60

Lord Atomy vs. D-shift 40/60
Lord Atomy vs. Blood 40/60
Lord Atomy vs. Portal 50/50

Discard Dragon vs. D-shift 30/70
Discard Dragon vs. Blood 50/50
Discard Dragon vs. Portal 60/40

IC XC NI KA Sep 4, 2021 @ 2:46am 
Are you playing Amataz ? I hardly believe they're above Rune. What is your rank ?

I was playing Last Words Shadow because it is very solid and Vs D-Shift the only way to win is to have full board atomy on 3 or 4 and with necroimpulse so it's highroll dependent so it's garbage.

For me it's :
LW (last words shadow) vs Dshift 15/85
LW vs Blood 70/30
LW vs Portal 40/60

I don't think discard Dragon is a thing, they absolutly need the emissary dragon before 5 to be able to win.

Haven is great if you highroll early summit temple with cats.
Last edited by IC XC NI KA; Sep 4, 2021 @ 12:23pm
Nanatsuiro Sep 5, 2021 @ 9:24am 
meanwhile i still try to make godzila 128 health with my meme deck
josealdos Sep 5, 2021 @ 10:07am 
I honestly just recommend to stop playing this game. You're describing a general trend that has been going on for years. It doesn't help that the game (content-wise) is dead and pales in comparison to other card games out there... You have:

1) Unranked - people playing meta decks
2) Ranked mode - people playing the same meta decks
3) GP - people playing the same meta decks
4) Take two: used to be good, requiring skill to build a proper deck & pilot. Now it's: draft winning card(s), draw your winning card(s), roll face on keyboard.
5) Open 6: in my opinion, a flawed mode. stakes are high, RNG cards, RNG leaders. same problems as take two. can't get leader cards
6) Occasional unique GPs: pretty fun!

It's crazy to me that they did nothing for their anniversary recently, they just gave people packs. The game has a lot of potential, they just aren't using it in comparison to the other "f2p" card games.

The existence of cards such as d-shift/spartacus/w.e without equivalent control tools will always mean that this format is degenerate. This is also happening in rotation. They would essentially have to implement a "scorched earth" policy on nerfs to fix this game. They will never do that because the game is designed to be a solitaire game, where interaction with your opponent doesn't mean much and emphasis is put on you accelerating your win condition. This has become more and more true as time goes on. The game has always been a more casual game that is designed to for quick matches and strong win conditions. I honestly don't think that will ever change and it will only get worse.
Last edited by josealdos; Sep 5, 2021 @ 10:11am
IC XC NI KA Sep 5, 2021 @ 12:04pm 
I sadly think you're right my friend. Unless they implement playable counters to those specific annoying cards like D-Shift, Isabelle, Spartacus etc... there's no point to continue and it pains me because I played this game for years; spent money and enjoyed it, the gameplay is pretty fun but with years it's just getting worse and worse.
There's many way to fix the issue but it feels like they don't mind.

1)They can start a banlist

2)Simply nerf the problematic cards

3)They can add counters

4)They do have nice mechanics like invokes or choices but they can dig it deeper. Even with the left over playpoints mechanic that portal had.

5)The game gained so much powercreep that I think an upgrade of 10 hp should be added to reach 30 hp total so it gives us a chance to go a longer game. Aggro would be ♥♥♥♥♥♥ but then why not add an other format or something like that ? Personaly I hate take two and open 6 and as you said in Unranked they play meta and Rotation is going in the wrong way as well.

5)I think they should revise the leader passives because it is useless for some of them like Haven which is specific on amulets but 3/4 of them are trash unplayable. And they are not specific anymore like for dragon they were supposed to be the only one ramping but they released Ramiel. They gave cost reduction to others than Rune... Sword passive is useless.

Just like you I think they will not fix the issues. I'm waiting for the next expension to give them a last chance.



josealdos Sep 5, 2021 @ 1:35pm 
The thing that I really disagree with the most on how they handled the game is that they made extremely strong effects/cards suffer minimal tempo loss, or they created cards with an enormous amount of effects. A good example of this is the Isabelle card you mentioned.

In the past what they did is that strong cards/effects came with a tempo loss. Something like reduced evo stats, bad stats in general, weak evo/fanfare. Now they just print 3 mana 3/3s & 4 mana 4/4s with insane effects. That ♥♥♥♥ just makes them instant include in every deck. You don't need to think about tempo loss or card deficit because your op win condition card has bane, primo stats, full evo stats, draws you a card, has an insane evolve effect, etc.

Why the hell are the cards that massively accelerate your uninteractive "win condition" have all these effects?
Last edited by josealdos; Sep 5, 2021 @ 2:55pm
Strike Energy Sep 6, 2021 @ 12:45am 
You alredy said a lot. And i think that they sould go for the "scorched earth" plan, since the problems go all about those busted cards that they keep printing for the shake to try to make players spend money on those, when in the real they make them run away. Also they should buff some meme cards that are unplayable (How many cronos did you see recently?).
IC XC NI KA Sep 6, 2021 @ 1:47am 
Indeed, too many cards needs an upgrade by now. I never saw a Cronos of my life been played.

It's like when they decided to put Prime Dragon Keeper like she was before and meanwhile they decide to upgrade Shipsbaine Pleisiosaurus like WTF they do both the same thing but the second one is wincon and the first is trash. Too many cases like that, I don't know what they are thinking really.
Kamikaze901 Sep 6, 2021 @ 4:40am 
what is game really need Right now is Just ban Ramdom card from the enemy hand & Deck or a selected card . he just gonna make game much longer & Fun .People just play meta is just stupid and boring a play Evo&Mecha Portalcraft and a keep losing is just anoying.
< >
Showing 1-15 of 85 comments
Per page: 1530 50