Recommend me the best deck to get to 3000-5000 easily, F2P

[izenrann]

Just started playing a couple of days ago, but I am a veteran of countless CCGs and I think I'm not too bad a player. My free time is at a premium so I don't want to spend too much time searching for decks. Have no problem netdecking within reason. Have searched online but really, there is too much information out there!

I can play any style of deck, I just really want to win lol. Have about 3380 vials to spare. Would prefer not to play Forest or Sword because I don't like lolis, or Dragon because I don't feel it's that strong right now.

F2P, so I am limited to what I opened, which is a decent random assortment. Have Merlin, Dragoon Forte, King of Flies, but all those aren't very budget...

[Bishop]

Try aggro blood maybe? Cheap, fast, efficient, its like face hunter of sv if you understand that analogy.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=801785922
Something like this gonna work.

Btw, Arisa is not a loli, wtf man.. And Erika is not even a teen, she is in her 20s..

[Ｂｏｏｂｓ]

pick your poison (i know you don't like sword, but i'll list it just in case):

bishop aggro[shadowverse-portal.com] 3,100 vial (2x beastly vow and 1x hallowed dogma is changeable with 3x mainyu) / meta version: add 3x garuda and remove 2x gilgamesh and 1x whatever

vampire aggro[shadowverse-portal.com] 2,500 vial / meta version[shadowverse-portal.com]: add 3x vania and 2x fortress + change executioner for killer devil

royal aggro[shadowverse-portal.com] (some people also use conscription and/or fearless banneret) 2,000 vial / meta version: add 2-3x alwida and remove whatever

[AdderTude]

Be lazy and pick any of the top tier decks from this SV tier list[shadowverse.gamepress.gg]

I mean, I did have a thread where I wanted to see more originality and encouragement for people to build their own decks from the ground up. All I got in return was four idiots who harrassed and flamed me about it. One elitist @$$hole even told me I shouldn't be playing competitive card games. Such behavior takes me back to League of Legends, where that game has the worst online community of all time.

[Teawalker]

AdderTude původně napsal:

Be lazy and pick any of the top tier decks from this SV tier list[shadowverse.gamepress.gg]

I mean, I did have a thread where I wanted to see more originality and encouragement for people to build their own decks from the ground up. All I got in return was four idiots who harrassed and flamed me about it. One elitist @$$hole even told me I shouldn't be playing competitive card games. Such behavior takes me back to League of Legends, where that game has the worst online community of all time.

I'm all for originality and homebrews, but you can't expect most people to build their own decks, for a number of reasons. Building good homebrews takes a LOT of time and a LOT of patience, and requires a deep understanding of the game/meta. Time is a valuable resource, and newer players generally don't yet have the deep knowledge about the game/cards/classes/meta to create good homebrews. Not only that...but at the end of the day, ranked is a competitive playlist; people want to play decks they know are strong, as it gives them a higher chance of winning. Not only that, but if you're losing while using a top-tier deck, you know it's not the deck's fault, so you can more easily pinpoint what mistakes you're making and not waste time trying to figure out if it's you that's playing poorly or just that the deck is bad, or both.

People are also lazy. And some people just aren't creative enough to brew. The list of reasons goes on and on and most of them are logical, valid reasons.

At the end of the day though, you should be happy that most people netdeck, if you yourself homebrew. It gives you a huge advantage; you know their decklist and win conditions, which makes it easier to predict and plan your turns out ahead of time. If you're playing a homebrew, the other person doesn't know your list, which makes it much harder for them to predict/play ahead. Which also tends to make them misplay.

[AdderTude]

I'm relatively new myself, so I consider it "cheating" to simply copy and paste. The other huge factor in the game is the classic "luck of the draw". I think my luck is terrible, so I don't expect to get a good draw in the first half of the game, anyway.

[Teawalker]

AdderTude původně napsal:

I'm relatively new myself, so I consider it "cheating" to simply copy and paste. The other huge factor in the game is the classic "luck of the draw". I think my luck is terrible, so I don't expect to get a good draw in the first half of the game, anyway.

How is it cheating to use somebody else's deck? Netdecking is the norm for online card games, and even IRL card games have netdecking/sharing lists with friends.

Also, if you're not getting a good draw consistently in the first half of the game, then it means your list needs more early/mid-game and probably more card draw as well. You're either building your decks poorly and/or playing poorly, I can promise you that your "luck" isn't losing you most games. Look for ways to improve your deck, and identify&correct mistakes that you're making.

[idk]

AdderTude původně napsal:

wanted to see more originality and encouragement for people to build their own decks from the ground up.

I'm with you on that.. I just find it so damn boring to copy a deck that someone else made, takes a big percentage of the fun away for me. I know that the pool of cards isn't exactly abundant, but there's still plenty of room to be creative making your own decks without basing it on winrates and ♥♥♥♥. I'd definitely feel more accomplished making it to the highest rank possible with a deck of my own, than a deck I copied or a deck I used as a base.

[AdderTude]

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AdderTude původně napsal:

wanted to see more originality and encouragement for people to build their own decks from the ground up.

I'm with you on that.. I just find it so damn boring to copy a deck that someone else made, takes a big percentage of the fun away for me. I know that the pool of cards isn't exactly abundant, but there's still plenty of room to be creative making your own decks without basing it on winrates and ♥♥♥♥. I'd definitely feel more accomplished making it to the highest rank possible with a deck of my own, than a deck I copied or a deck I used as a base.

I have a main Sword deck I built myself (for Story Mode) that I tweaked with advice from other players, but it still isn't quite there yet, especially when I had my @$$ handed to me by a double Purgatory Forest deck one game (that was quite obviously copied) and an Apocalypse Dragon deck the game after (which was a real doozy but I still suspect that was copied, too). I have two other Swords I'm currently piecing together (one that's meant to draw out as much Officers as I can, and the other revolving around ninjas and Followers that utilize Ambush).

[AdderTude]

Fisherman původně napsal:

AdderTude původně napsal:

I'm relatively new myself, so I consider it "cheating" to simply copy and paste. The other huge factor in the game is the classic "luck of the draw". I think my luck is terrible, so I don't expect to get a good draw in the first half of the game, anyway.

How is it cheating to use somebody else's deck? Netdecking is the norm for online card games, and even IRL card games have netdecking/sharing lists with friends.

Also, if you're not getting a good draw consistently in the first half of the game, then it means your list needs more early/mid-game and probably more card draw as well. You're either building your decks poorly and/or playing poorly, I can promise you that your "luck" isn't losing you most games. Look for ways to improve your deck, and identify&correct mistakes that you're making.

Look for another thread titled "Deckbuilding Advice". I got some helpful tips there without people crapping on me like my last thread which I was forced to delete.

[darsh]

Everyone who says "I think netdecking is cheating, and unfair, and dishonorable" is without exception a bad card game player. I'm saying this as a tournament-going MtG player who had those same growing pains. Learn some humility and realize you don't need to reinvent the wheel. You'll learn far more by taking an existing shell and learning how to adapt to differing metagames (a skill which you'll find extremely useful when building from the ground up!) than repeatedly getting stomped by a far more skilled player and blaming it on netdecks.

Anyways OP, play Banner Swordcraft, the lower rungs of the ladder are infested with Havencraft and the Forestcraft decks are not even close to being finished, it's generally smooth sailing and the deck is 4000-5000 vials. https://shadowverse.gamepress.gg/deck-archetype/royal-banner-swordcraft

[AdderTude]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ původně napsal:

Everyone who says "I think netdecking is cheating, and unfair, and dishonorable" is without exception a bad card game player.

Credentials, shmedentials. This blanket comment is probably one of the most blatantly fallacious statements of generalization I've ever seen in gaming. That's like a Diablo III player saying "Everyone who says 'I think getting the best gear from the Auction House is cheating, unfair, and dishonorable' is without exception a bad RPG player". Similar principle.

[darsh]

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♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ původně napsal:

Everyone who says "I think netdecking is cheating, and unfair, and dishonorable" is without exception a bad card game player.

Credentials, shmedentials. This blanket comment is probably one of the most blatantly fallacious statements of generalization I've ever seen in gaming. That's like a Diablo III player saying "Everyone who says 'I think getting the best gear from the Auction House is cheating, unfair, and dishonorable' is without exception a bad RPG player". Similar principle.

Do you think you're the exception?

[AdderTude]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ původně napsal:

Do you think you're the exception?

Not the point. Besides, you're trying to pass off your anecdotal evidence as the "rule", which cannot be since it's strictly opinion.

[ICStars77]

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♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ původně napsal:

Do you think you're the exception?

Not the point. Besides, you're trying to pass off your anecdotal evidence as the "rule", which cannot be since it's strictly opinion.:denied:

He does have a point though. Look I'm not saying everyone should copy pasta and ignore what the deck is going for, but by the same token they're the "meta" decks for a reason - take them and learn why they're strong and go from there. I love making my own decks, but if something is bad something is bad, and understanding why something is bad is a LOT easier when you have a good example to work off of. If you've ever played league of legends for example it's like saying meta champs are boring and broken, or builds are generic and should be changed or some such. While there's definitely some truth to that, if you understand the picks and builds you can learn to adapt on the fly between various "meta" picks and have a better understanding of the game.

The simple truth is people that copy pasta looking for easy wins aren't going to get super far even with good decks because they don't understand the deck, while people to build decks from top tier decks and understand the concept will get far as they're utilizing a tried and true strategy and using it for themselves. There's a small difference sure, but it's there. Just my opinion at any rate.

[AdderTude]

ICStars77 původně napsal:

AdderTude původně napsal:

Not the point. Besides, you're trying to pass off your anecdotal evidence as the "rule", which cannot be since it's strictly opinion.

He does have a point though. Look I'm not saying everyone should copy pasta and ignore what the deck is going for, but by the same token they're the "meta" decks for a reason - take them and learn why they're strong and go from there. I love making my own decks, but if something is bad something is bad, and understanding why something is bad is a LOT easier when you have a good example to work off of. If you've ever played league of legends for example it's like saying meta champs are boring and broken, or builds are generic and should be changed or some such. While there's definitely some truth to that, if you understand the picks and builds you can learn to adapt on the fly between various "meta" picks and have a better understanding of the game.

The simple truth is people that copy pasta looking for easy wins aren't going to get super far even with good decks because they don't understand the deck, while people to build decks from top tier decks and understand the concept will get far as they're utilizing a tried and true strategy and using it for themselves. There's a small difference sure, but it's there. Just my opinion at any rate.

Except League has a different dynamic to it. Some champions are meta because they're company favorites. I don't recall where I saw this but whenever Riot makes Marksmen on the strong side, they jack up the survivability of melee champions. Inevitably, sometime later they have to buff Marksmen's damage to compensate, starting the process all over again in a seemingly endless cycle (ADC too strong, buff melee survivability; melee too strong, buff ADC damage). Some champions hardly get touched because 1) they're company favorites and 2) they listen to a very small percentage of their player base (i.e. the pros) over the rest of the community. Whatever dedication to the players they originally had when I first picked up the game (in 2011) has been gone for a few years now. They care more about money than they do anything else. It's why they underpay their casters.