Turn 3 Lord Atomy and Imperial Mammoth

[Flice]

I am sure we have all been seeing this a lot recently, so I am going to outsource the answer to the question here if it hasn't been done already: what does EACH class do against Lord Atomy and Imperial Mammoth on their Turn 3 if these two were summoned via 1-3 Staircase to Paradises and/or 1-3 Haunted House and Frozen Mammoth, with the opponent going first. I would mainly like people to focus their attention on Bloodcraft, Forestcraft, and Heavencraft as I feel like those classes struggle the most against this setup.

[Bishop]

If they have both mammoth and atomy on t3 going first you probably lose, because its impossible to answer both on t3 no matter what you're playing. Its terrible game design, but sv is full of terrible desin decisions so.. figures.
As for dealing with atomy, forest can use lilac and setup brambles for value trades, haven has 4 pp removal, blood.. no idea honestly, just keep smorking or play moon amulet into revelation.

[Flice]

While there are some answers in these classes for T4, I specified T3 because chances are that the opponent is going to be able to set up another Atomy play T4 after going face with whatever remained from the opponents T3 and then proceed to win by T5 or T6, especially if they have already resolved a Stairway to Paradise or 2... but don't worry, I have already discussed this with the "Shadowverse Team", and they have said... that they're not telling me anything and to experiment... like that somehow helps deal with the problem.

[high taxes]

whoever thought making a bunch of 1-cost amulets that give massive draws must be a genius ("Every class should get sacred pleas")

[[P]]

That set up is disgusting.. Usually all i can do is revelation.

[Cether]

high taxes님이 먼저 게시:

whoever thought making a bunch of 1-cost amulets that give massive draws must be a genius ("Every class should get sacred pleas")

Sacred Plea? You mean that ♥♥♥♥ card that gives me random things from my deck that may or may not be useless spells/amulets?

I can't evolve a spell and gain insane value through a body and fanfare.

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Its all I see so I stopped playing again. Game is back to being cancer.

[hrooza]

DarkFlice님이 먼저 게시:

I am sure we have all been seeing this a lot recently, so I am going to outsource the answer to the question here if it hasn't been done already: what does EACH class do against Lord Atomy and Imperial Mammoth on their Turn 3 if these two were summoned via 1-3 Staircase to Paradises and/or 1-3 Haunted House and Frozen Mammoth, with the opponent going first. I would mainly like people to focus their attention on Bloodcraft, Forestcraft, and Heavencraft as I feel like those classes struggle the most against this setup.

you see thats a perfect hand perfect hand are hard to deal with unless you have a perfect hand as will

[Flice]

Well I discussed this at length with a couple of people on Reddit, and we concluded that, at least for Forestcraft, if the opponent pulls this off and then gets Lurching Corpse and either Soul Conversion or Demon Eater, then Forestcraft literally can't win, regardless of what they draw from their entire card pool.

[Exertim]

You concede and move on to the next match. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ but that's the life of fighting high roller decks. You can take solace in knowing that these kinds of decks tend to brick themselves fairly often.

[starxlight]

DarkFlice님이 먼저 게시:

Well I discussed this at length with a couple of people on Reddit, and we concluded that, at least for Forestcraft, if the opponent pulls this off and then gets Lurching Corpse and either Soul Conversion or Demon Eater, then Forestcraft literally can't win, regardless of what they draw from their entire card pool.

If Forestcraft goes first and assuming they have all the necessary counters cards, they can deal with it.
If Forestcraft goes second, they have to take 14 damage before they can deal with both Atomy and Mammoth.

[Bishop]

starx3님이 먼저 게시:

DarkFlice님이 먼저 게시:

Well I discussed this at length with a couple of people on Reddit, and we concluded that, at least for Forestcraft, if the opponent pulls this off and then gets Lurching Corpse and either Soul Conversion or Demon Eater, then Forestcraft literally can't win, regardless of what they draw from their entire card pool.

If Forestcraft goes first and assuming they have all the necessary counters cards, they can deal with it.
If Forestcraft goes second, they have to take 14 damage before they can deal with both Atomy and Mammoth.

You can do Pixie Mischief on 3 going second, then evo Lilac on 4 to avoid some damage, but the game is probably already unwinnable at this point. Though i never had shadow to play both atomy and mammoth on 3.

[Flice]

starx3님이 먼저 게시:

DarkFlice님이 먼저 게시:

Well I discussed this at length with a couple of people on Reddit, and we concluded that, at least for Forestcraft, if the opponent pulls this off and then gets Lurching Corpse and either Soul Conversion or Demon Eater, then Forestcraft literally can't win, regardless of what they draw from their entire card pool.

If Forestcraft goes first and assuming they have all the necessary counters cards, they can deal with it.
If Forestcraft goes second, they have to take 14 damage before they can deal with both Atomy and Mammoth.

This is why this setup requires Shadowcraft to go first.

[Flice]

Bishop님이 먼저 게시:

starx3님이 먼저 게시:

If Forestcraft goes first and assuming they have all the necessary counters cards, they can deal with it.
If Forestcraft goes second, they have to take 14 damage before they can deal with both Atomy and Mammoth.

You can do Pixie Mischief on 3 going second, then evo Lilac on 4 to avoid some damage, but the game is probably already unwinnable at this point. Though i never had shadow to play both atomy and mammoth on 3.

If they have Lurching Corpse and either Soul Conversion or Demon Eater, then they will get rid of your Lilac on their Turn 4 and force you into an unwinnable situation on your Turn 4.

[Bishop]

DarkFlice님이 먼저 게시:

Bishop님이 먼저 게시:

You can do Pixie Mischief on 3 going second, then evo Lilac on 4 to avoid some damage, but the game is probably already unwinnable at this point. Though i never had shadow to play both atomy and mammoth on 3.

If they have Lurching Corpse and either Soul Conversion or Demon Eater, then they will get rid of your Lilac on their Turn 4 and force you into an unwinnable situation on your Turn 4.

Nah you don't get it. You start with PM on turn 3 (because playing lilac without evo does nothing against 14 damage opponents board anyway), it will return something into their hand. Then on t4 you evo lilac to deal with another one. You still gonna take at least 6-8 face damage on turn 4 and tempo loss is probably too huge to recover but still.
Actually it is possible to recover if you bounce mammoth and deal with atomy on t4. Mammoth is just a dead card for 7pp anyway, so it come to whatever they have in hand after that.

[starxlight]

DarkFlice님이 먼저 게시:

starx3님이 먼저 게시:

If Forestcraft goes first and assuming they have all the necessary counters cards, they can deal with it.
If Forestcraft goes second, they have to take 14 damage before they can deal with both Atomy and Mammoth.

This is why this setup requires Shadowcraft to go first.

Of course, the bigger question here is that if Shadowcraft goes first and assuming Forest has the perfect counter cards on hand. How in the world did Shadowcraft get Atomy and Mammoth off on turn 3? That is impossible.