Heavenly Aegis

[ArcDnB]

Enough said.

This game is garbage because the devs don't seem to even consider having any kind of limit on how powerful a card can be. I would joke about a card that says: Win the game but of course Shadowverse already has that card. For the same class that gets Aegis.

♥♥♥♥ this game. Good F2P model my♥♥♥♥♥ getting 50 packs for free doesn't come close to helping you beat the netdecks and quests force you to play ranked matches over casual.

Btw calling me a scrub isn't going to hurt my feelings and probably shows that you are the ones who are butthurt. Only saying this because the steam forum community always resort to personal attacks when you have something negative to say about the game.

[Kiyohime]

Soooooo... If your going to leave have you done it yet?

Anyways, regarding Aegis, I feel that it may be a giant pain in the ass, It's still possible to win with control, besides, some decks do beat other decks, you could just be unlucky, I havent even SEEN an aegis deck in my past 30 games because all I've seen is midrange sword and and aggro blood. Then again i'm B1 so what do I know.

As a Haven main, I've dealt with AND played Aegis, so I do know it's strengths and weaknesses. A massive counter to aegis could be Roland, or Kaguya. Though if your looking for non stat changing a big counter would be ramp dragon for me, because it does alot of damage and has big minions that i'm forced to trade into instead of going face. Not to mention, if you really unlucky and draw Aegis early, its a dead card until turn 9, which is pretty awful.

I can sympathise with you, because I also used to hate Aegis with a burning passion, but I've just adjusted and can deal with it these days. Aegis for example, gets stomped by Silver Bolts deck, Jungle wardens and Stuff. Durandal again counters it. Shadow can out value with a bigger board, after all Aegis can only attack one follower, and deaths breath is a thing. Rune Dshift reks it, hell, earth rite sun dancer can deal with it because you can make minions BIGGER than aegis. Ramp and Disco dragons a pain for aegis because Ourobouros value is insane, and Genisis Dragon and Zeus shuts im down. Haven itself has Kaguya and wards and heals. And Bloodcraft's Maelstron Serpent makes me wanna concede.

On regards on F2P, I've never really had that problem, mainly because of how generous the devs are. If you remember they literlaly gave 9 packs for free about a couple days ago. also crafting legendaries and rares are ok, then again, I literally disenchanted every blood and shadow card i had because I wanted to focus on the rest of the classes.

Your thoughts?

[myhr2]

I'll repeat what I've already said : Aegis is not frustrating because it's good or bad. Competitively, it seems to struggle at higher ranks, in a fast meta. It's frustrating because it shuts down a complete deck archetype, control, by itself.

Most of the counters you cite are only partial : for exemple, Roland slows Aegis, it does not counter it like Odin counters Seraph. Same with Kaguya, ok, it has only one attack, but it's one free damage each turn, and even if you run 3 Kagyua, it's unlikely you'll have enough evo points to counter all of the opponent's Aegis. And I'm nitpicking, but Sun Dancer Earth Rite make big minions...but Haven really does not care with Themis decree and Tribunal of Good and Evil. As for Genesis and Zeus shutting Aegis down, I don't really see it, just remove them or heal (two strengths of Haven), and you win. And I'm not even bringing Test of Strength in the equation.

Imho, the problem with Aegis is that it's just too damn big, if you're not already winning, then you've lost on the spot, and if you're winning, you can still loose. Control decks have to adapt to Aegis with the addition of combo, not value, which change their archetype to combo, mostly, whereas Aegis deck only have to accomodate for aggro and mid-range...which they already did, being control decks. It's not a card you build around, it's a card that just makes you win some match-ups just by itself, and that is questionable design.

Edit : if going F2P, do not climb the ladder, it's that simple.

[Unforgiven]

myhr2 eredeti hozzászólása:

I'll repeat what I've already said : Aegis is not frustrating because it's good or bad. Competitively, it seems to struggle at higher ranks, in a fast meta. It's frustrating because it shuts down a complete deck archetype, control, by itself.

Most of the counters you cite are only partial : for exemple, Roland slows Aegis, it does not counter it like Odin counters Seraph. Same with Kaguya, ok, it has only one attack, but it's one free damage each turn, and even if you run 3 Kagyua, it's unlikely you'll have enough evo points to counter all of the opponent's Aegis. And I'm nitpicking, but Sun Dancer Earth Rite make big minions...but Haven really does not care with Themis decree and Tribunal of Good and Evil. As for Genesis and Zeus shutting Aegis down, I don't really see it, just remove them or heal (two strengths of Haven), and you win. And I'm not even bringing Test of Strength in the equation.

Imho, the problem with Aegis is that it's just too damn big, if you're not already winning, then you've lost on the spot, and if you're winning, you can still loose. Control decks have to adapt to Aegis with the addition of combo, not value, which change their archetype to combo, mostly, whereas Aegis deck only have to accomodate for aggro and mid-range...which they already did, being control decks. It's not a card you build around, it's a card that just makes you win some match-ups just by itself, and that is questionable design.

Edit : if going F2P, do not climb the ladder, it's that simple.

f2p can easily climb the ladder, free players have received literally 200 packs over the past 10 months
i have 3 full decks and one is ramp dragon (70-80k vials) and all i ever paid was 5€ for the alternative Forte version

[Accel]

Yes if they play for 10 month but if they start playing like month ago, huh? They gets rekt by shadow and dragons netdeckers in beginner0.

[Silviechan]

Accel eredeti hozzászólása:

Yes if they play for 10 month but if they start playing like month ago, huh? They gets rekt by shadow and dragons netdeckers in beginner0.

you get enought to quite easily make the net deck shadow yourself if you so wish lol..and most people at that rank also missplays the deck quite horrible..even the non-edited standard decks can stand a chance against someone that plays like crap xD

[Unforgiven]

Accel eredeti hozzászólása:

Yes if they play for 10 month but if they start playing like month ago, huh? They gets rekt by shadow and dragons netdeckers in beginner0.

wtf r u talking about, u get like 45 free packs on FIRST LOGIN and then another 30 from AI hard modes and then another 20 from Private Matches and right now u even get 14 more cuz of the current event, that should be enough to ez make 2 decks + 20 or more arena tickets which are 2 packs each at least

[Accel]

An Umbreon eredeti hozzászólása:

Accel eredeti hozzászólása:

Yes if they play for 10 month but if they start playing like month ago, huh? They gets rekt by shadow and dragons netdeckers in beginner0.

you get enought to quite easily make the net deck shadow yourself if you so wish lol..and most people at that rank also missplays the deck quite horrible..even the non-edited standard decks can stand a chance against someone that plays like crap xD

I dont want liquefy all my cards to make deck that will go away after new expansion

[Kailally]

Accel eredeti hozzászólása:

An Umbreon eredeti hozzászólása:

you get enought to quite easily make the net deck shadow yourself if you so wish lol..and most people at that rank also missplays the deck quite horrible..even the non-edited standard decks can stand a chance against someone that plays like crap xD

I dont want liquefy all my cards to make deck that will go away after new expansion

If you liquefied all your cards you wouldn't be able to make any deck.

[Unforgiven]

Accel eredeti hozzászólása:

An Umbreon eredeti hozzászólása:

you get enought to quite easily make the net deck shadow yourself if you so wish lol..and most people at that rank also missplays the deck quite horrible..even the non-edited standard decks can stand a chance against someone that plays like crap xD

I dont want liquefy all my cards to make deck that will go away after new expansion

then u can't make any deck at all because all decks change after expansions

i'm always liquifying all of my non dragon/shadow/forest cards and i have 3 fully functioning decks and 20k liquids to spare without ever buying packs for real money

[Kailally]

Unforgiven eredeti hozzászólása:

Accel eredeti hozzászólása:

I dont want liquefy all my cards to make deck that will go away after new expansion

then u can't make any deck at all because all decks change after expansions

Honestly, the decks don't change that much outside swapping out a few cards. At least that was my experience. Probably nothing more than say 12k vials per deck for a few golds/legendaries.

With expansions coming out every 3 months, and 10 free packs each time they do come out it's pretty easy to save up that much.

[Unforgiven]

KailnoSpaces eredeti hozzászólása:

Unforgiven eredeti hozzászólása:

then u can't make any deck at all because all decks change after expansions

Honestly, the decks don't change that much outside swapping out a few cards. At least that was my experience. Probably nothing more than say 12k vials per deck for a few golds/legendaries.

With expansions coming out every 3 months, and 10 free packs each time they do come out it's pretty easy to save up that much.

He was saying he got less than 10k.vials.from 120 packs which is a lie

[Accel]

I dont have a friends to complete this missions so I dont have 120 packs opened. Maybe 70 but its close to 10k ofc and I dont want to craft anything except legendaries so ofc I cant craft deck with cost over 10k vials alright?

[Silviechan]

Accel eredeti hozzászólása:

I dont have a friends to complete this missions so I dont have 120 packs opened. Maybe 70 but its close to 10k ofc and I dont want to craft anything except legendaries so ofc I cant craft deck with cost over 10k vials alright?

that you dont ever wanna craft silver or gold card that you might need is 100% your own fault and there is a reddit thread+thread here+discord where you can easily get the private mission doesnt need toi add them to friend or hear from them ever again then you puting in there private number that they put out so you dont even have to do it yourself

[Unforgiven]

Accel eredeti hozzászólása:

I dont have a friends to complete this missions so I dont have 120 packs opened. Maybe 70 but its close to 10k ofc and I dont want to craft anything except legendaries so ofc I cant craft deck with cost over 10k vials alright?

U got 0 legendaries or.golds.in 70 packs?

[Accel]

An Umbreon eredeti hozzászólása:

Accel eredeti hozzászólása:

I dont have a friends to complete this missions so I dont have 120 packs opened. Maybe 70 but its close to 10k ofc and I dont want to craft anything except legendaries so ofc I cant craft deck with cost over 10k vials alright?

that you dont ever wanna craft silver or gold card that you might need is 100% your own fault and there is a reddit thread+thread here+discord where you can easily get the private mission doesnt need toi add them to friend or hear from them ever again then you puting in there private number that they put out so you dont even have to do it yourself

You absolutely right, I craft legendaries that I need first then other cards. It'll take much more time but its fine. Just hate losing in beginner0 like I'm bad or something