NO MEAT

[MMMMARRRR]

Is anyone trying to beat the game vegan style?

Is it even possible?

[♥Puroseki (she/her)]

It's probably possible! Although some end game fights are pretty rough and leaving out the theme ingredient might not be a good idea...

[MMMMARRRR]

Originally posted by ♥Aorta:

It's probably possible! Although some end game fights are pretty rough and leaving out the theme ingredient might not be a good idea...

oooooh XD

[Rhinkalis]

To be fair, there IS a vegetarian Expertise that gives you a bonus if you use no meat *except* the theme ingrediant.

[LaChouette]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep:

To be fair, there IS a vegetarian Expertise that gives you a bonus if you use no meat *except* the theme ingrediant.

It's also a really good expertise, since getting the right elements is easy with fruits, you can get plenty of them and they don't take much room. I'm pretty sure you can beat the game this way, even without using the theme ingredients, since the game seems to scale its difficulty on how well you do. If you consistantly fail to put your theme ingredient in, you'll still be able to get 250-300 points and that's enough at least until chapter 4.

[MMMMARRRR]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep:

To be fair, there IS a vegetarian Expertise that gives you a bonus if you use no meat *except* the theme ingrediant.

Sweet. Thank You for letting me know! I just bought it and played a little bit of it today.

The game seems to be so indepth as far as the many combonations there are.

I really love it.

[Brasten]

Apprentice Expertise: Ingredient Master (x5 of same ingredient, +25 points) will also help. Between the two can net +100 bonus points.

And even with the Vegetarian Expertise you don't have to use a lot of the main ingrediant either. One "cut" in an otherwise purely vegetable/fruit dish is enough to count.

I need to actually check if Caranha (the venus flytrap like plant) counts for Vegetarian Expertise.

The upside of Vegan/Vegetarian cooking in BCB is you don't normally have to deal with Bad Taste Gems (bone and poison). The excpetion is the mushrooms of the caves. Once we get some robust guides going such runs should be easier to do, knowing what flavor profiles the judges want ahead of time really helps. Along with what plants are in each region.


Vegan and Vegetarian cooking in a competition with a Required ingrediant isn't always the easiest thing. Example is Chef Rich Landau ( http://vegnews.com/articles/page.do?pageId=5908&catId=8 ) who won Food Network's Chopped but had to use Honey in his last dish.

An interesting expansion would be for Faux Ingredients to allow a player to try and offset not using the main ingredent through some method. Faux Hydra, or Faux Dragon, etc. Combined with the existing Master Expertise: Vegetarian it should be enough to stay competitive in later cook-offs on Hard.

Or as an actual paid expansion much later, a Region of the world that took a Vegan path to the Monster Problem. Someplace that focused on the stealthy harvesting of mythological plants.

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While it doesn't help the ethical position, what if I point out that the cute cheepchi birds are actually a plague, held in check by the caranha plants. Cheepchi are flying egg producting vacuum cleaners. Much like an IRL locust swarm, the cheepchi convert nearly everything (at almost 1:1 ratio) they eat to eggs for more cheepchi. Cheepchi population growth is nearly exponential without outside factors (eating them). I imagine wheat farms like Simon's have to constantly clear cheepchi, both while harvesting and away from storage silos. Any stray seeds could mean a boom in the local cheepchi population.

[MMMMARRRR]

Originally posted by Brasten:

Apprentice Expertise: Ingredient Master (x5 of same ingredient, +25 points) will also help. Between the two can net +100 bonus points.

And even with the Vegetarian Expertise you don't have to use a lot of the main ingrediant either. One "cut" in an otherwise purely vegetable/fruit dish is enough to count.

I need to actually check if Caranha (the venus flytrap like plant) counts for Vegetarian Expertise.

The upside of Vegan/Vegetarian cooking in BCB is you don't normally have to deal with Bad Taste Gems (bone and poison). The excpetion is the mushrooms of the caves. Once we get some robust guides going such runs should be easier to do, knowing what flavor profiles the judges want ahead of time really helps. Along with what plants are in each region.


Vegan and Vegetarian cooking in a competition with a Required ingrediant isn't always the easiest thing. Example is Chef Rich Landau ( http://vegnews.com/articles/page.do?pageId=5908&catId=8 ) who won Food Network's Chopped but had to use Honey in his last dish.

An interesting expansion would be for Faux Ingredients to allow a player to try and offset not using the main ingredent through some method. Faux Hydra, or Faux Dragon, etc. Combined with the existing Master Expertise: Vegetarian it should be enough to stay competitive in later cook-offs on Hard.

Or as an actual paid expansion much later, a Region of the world that took a Vegan path to the Monster Problem. Someplace that focused on the stealthy harvesting of mythological plants.

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While it doesn't help the ethical position, what if I point out that the cute cheepchi birds are actually a plague, held in check by the caranha plants. Cheepchi are flying egg producting vacuum cleaners. Much like an IRL locust swarm, the cheepchi convert nearly everything (at almost 1:1 ratio) they eat to eggs for more cheepchi. Cheepchi population growth is nearly exponential without outside factors (eating them). I imagine wheat farms like Simon's have to constantly clear cheepchi, both while harvesting and away from storage silos. Any stray seeds could mean a boom in the local cheepchi population.

Thank You so much, Brastan.

I wish there was some sort of 'like' system for the forums here.

I highly appreciate your in-depth response. This was really helpful
and I agree wtih you about the dilemma too about being vegan or vegetarian
within a food competition. I too find it a bit of a challenge even if it is just a video game.
That was interesting though about the winner using honey. I'm sure I'll go the same route.

I agree about the vegetarian or vegan expansion pack. That would be nice too.

haha and thank you for letting me know about the Cheepchi birds. I usually just ignore them.
They may be on the menu now. We'll see. I also have to see if Caranha counts as a
vegetarian dish/or expertise. They should. Not much is even known about this game yet.

[Danceofmasks]

Caranha definitely counts as a vegetable, as far as the expertise book is concerned.

[Bjorn]

Also, for the vegetarian expertise, eggs from the forest counts for it.

[Castron]

Originally posted by MMMMARRRR:

Is it even possible?

If anything I found it's currently the most broken method in fairness. Every map has 3 (+ caranha in forest) veggies which are all top tier ingredients. With the added benefit of completely skipping the RNG of getting the right ingredient from your monster kill. If anything, the question would be, full carnivore? Is it even possible?

[MMMMARRRR]

Originally posted by Castron:

Originally posted by MMMMARRRR:

Is it even possible?

If anything I found it's currently the most broken method in fairness. Every map has 3 (+ caranha in forest) veggies which are all top tier ingredients. With the added benefit of completely skipping the RNG of getting the right ingredient from your monster kill. If anything, the question would be, full carnivore? Is it even possible?

wow really?

That gives me a lot of hope now going about the game this way.

So much exploring I look foward to in this game that's for sure.
I think only the meat deal with poison or rot too?

[LaChouette]

Originally posted by MMMMARRRR:

Originally posted by Castron:

If anything I found it's currently the most broken method in fairness. Every map has 3 (+ caranha in forest) veggies which are all top tier ingredients. With the added benefit of completely skipping the RNG of getting the right ingredient from your monster kill. If anything, the question would be, full carnivore? Is it even possible?

wow really?

That gives me a lot of hope now going about the game this way.

So much exploring I look foward to in this game that's for sure.
I think only the meat deal with poison or rot too?

A few veggies do too. Lantern fruit is fragile, mushrooms have poison. But those aren't hard to deal with (lantern fruit is all fire so they're easy to combine and you can easily get rid of the poison)

[Danceofmasks]

Easily get rid of poison? More like poison being a free upgrade ...
You don't cook poisonous plants in the same dish, you cook it separately, use the poison match to upgrade, pick them up and merge them into your dish.

[MMMMARRRR]

Originally posted by Danceofmasks:

Easily get rid of poison? More like poison being a free upgrade ...
You don't cook poisonous plants in the same dish, you cook it separately, use the poison match to upgrade, pick them up and merge them into your dish.

o_o

this game is deeper than I realize. I love it. So much to learn

[Castron]

Originally posted by MMMMARRRR:

Originally posted by Danceofmasks:

Easily get rid of poison? More like poison being a free upgrade ...
You don't cook poisonous plants in the same dish, you cook it separately, use the poison match to upgrade, pick them up and merge them into your dish.

o_o

this game is deeper than I realize. I love it. So much to learn

If you need some inspiration, this is from yesterdays cookoff in the caverns. #GoVeggies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckwPEZvE4mA