what kind of preverted moron desgined those pilot suits???

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

the game trailer looked really fine. i actually thought about picking it up. a love story disrupted by a massive sci-fi invasion? great!

oh. nope. nevermind. all the female pilots wear TRANSPERANT LATEX wow. oh and the males wear bulky heavy armor to add insult.
well done. you just HAD to sexualize the girls somehow didn't you?

i actually looked online what kind of sorry exucse they have for outfitting the female pilots with this fetish-wear and the excuse is the most pathetic i ever seen.

"boys and girls must be psychologically prepared for the realities of combat and ignore the fact that male and female bodies are different" SERIOUSLY? Quiet from MGS5 had a better excuse t han this!
i bet the US army also forces their female troops half naked just to teach how their bodies are different. what a sad joke.

i really considered picking up this game, but there is no way in hell ill ever take it seriously now

[Poutchouli]

Also iirc, the transparency of the suits for trainees also helps the drill instructor's quickly identify wounds that the cadets could receive while training. So yeah the basic reason is still for fan service, but they have a good reasonable in-universe explanation that actually makes sense and thus makes it forgiveable. So the key is just to suspend your belief and not get offended. Also the male suits are just as transparent? Only extra bit they have is over their ♥♥♥♥, thats pretty much it.

[STORM VANGUARD ONE]

To be honest I who loved the franchise and played most of the game also think the fanservice is too much. Even the protagonist kinda got bothered when he first saw the girls wearing those suits.

But, as time goes by he (and the player) will get used to it. Not to mention that fanservice is the least thing you'll need to worry about when you reach Muv-Luv Alternative.

They have the explanation for it in-game which you've written: to make men and women get along faster. I think it's a good reason considering the situation in-game (I won't explain it further since it might be spoiler).
Tho of course the better (and maybe true) reason is to attract more players. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) I mean hey, it was originally a Japanese ero-game ー targeted for niche Japanese market.

All I can say that it's a great series. You can see by how well received it is everywhere. Don't let the fanservice stop you from playing it. Just be patient with the fanservice, hopefully you'll get used to it in time.

[GuudBooi]

I just want to throw out my 2 cents, from what people told me, this game is actually good and at some point the epicness of this game starts, while the other 2 first parts are needed for an emotional impact, however try to see this game from OP's eyes and mine , there are a lot of bad visual novels on steam full of fanservice, so now you look at this game and you just see a lot of fanservice, everyone is free to play games like this, but at first glance you can't take this game seriously, this just look like the other bad visual novels on steam .
If there was less fanservice quanitity, maybe more people could look at this game with different opinions, and maybe there could be less threads like this in the discussion's hub .

[STORM VANGUARD ONE]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Clawookie Monster:

I just want to throw out my 2 cents, from what people told me, this game is actually good and at some point the epicness of this game starts, while the other 2 first parts are needed for an emotional impact, however try to see this game from OP's eyes and mine , there are a lot of bad visual novels on steam full of fanservice, so now you look at this game and you just see a lot of fanservice, everyone is free to play games like this, but at first glance you can't take this game seriously, this just look like the other bad visual novels on steam .

All I can say is that many of us who have completed the game and love it, are like you and the OP at first. My advice is that if you're interested, just try to enjoy it and be patient.

IMO the best part of the trilogy is the immersion it can deliver. How despite being a visual novel, it gives emotional impacts and PTSDs to the players. All of which I don't think you'll gain without enjoying the game. That aside, the story and other technical aspects are awesome too, but IMO not the main reason to play/read the trilogy.

[GuudBooi]

Opprinnelig skrevet av STORM VANGUARD ONE:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Clawookie Monster:

I just want to throw out my 2 cents, from what people told me, this game is actually good and at some point the epicness of this game starts, while the other 2 first parts are needed for an emotional impact, however try to see this game from OP's eyes and mine , there are a lot of bad visual novels on steam full of fanservice, so now you look at this game and you just see a lot of fanservice, everyone is free to play games like this, but at first glance you can't take this game seriously, this just look like the other bad visual novels on steam .

All I can say is that many of us who have completed the game and love it, are like you and the OP at first. My advice is that if you're interested, just try to enjoy it and be patient.

IMO the best part of the trilogy is the immersion it can deliver. How despite being a visual novel, it gives emotional impacts and PTSDs to the players. All of which I don't think you'll gain without enjoying the game. That aside, the story and other technical aspects are awesome too, but IMO not the main reason to play/read the trilogy.

Maybe in the future, but one of my main problem is that i don't think i will enjoy that type of fanservice, but who knows... maybe in the future .

[Muv-Luv]

(Staff/Helrouis): Hi there Jolly. I'm a fan of the trilogy as well, and here are a few things I can say about the trainee fortified suit -- The screentime of the girls wearing them are pretty low. Screenshots available in Google are the uncut version, whereas the Steam version doesn't show much nor it's being exploited in any way sexually. They're literally just there, worn by the characters. They're embarrassed about it at first, and then gets used to it over time. As the player, you will feel the same way - you will eventually nod in agreement there are more important things to be worried about. If you have the chance to play the game and it still discomforts you, VN readers always have the option to press and hold CTRL and it will be over in a few seconds. I highly don't recommend it though! It's much tamer than Game of Thrones' nudity, most specially it's not being used to sexualize the girls, at all. The MC doesn't say anything nor tease them about it, since he's in the same situation anyway.

[You're Friend]

The males wear identical suits to the females. The disparity between Takeru specifically and the rest of the trainees in his squad was clearly stated, at that time the base did not have any male sized training suits, so they had him wear a pilot's suit, the only difference being one is dyed black while the other is not. As other commentators have posted, there are several explanations for the suits, all mentioned in the visual novel, most of the technology explinations are given in Alternative though (for good reasons that I do not want to spoil).
1. Again. Suits are identical between genders. The only differences in suits are from different dyes used, so it is actually incorrect to state that one is more heavily armored/bulky than another, and we can clearly see that in the visual novel.
2. Trainees have clear suits for the whole getting used to a lack of dignity thing. Scoff all you want, in the real world ra.pe (that word is censored by steam lol) rates in the US military for females by fellow soldiers is extremely high, and there has been a ton of real precedence of resistance to gender integration in the military. While this may not be a good solution, it makes sense that the military in the BETA world would be desperate to try tons of weird crazy ♥♥♥♥ in order to cope with the very real problems that arise with gender integration in the military, and the culture of the BETA world's japanese is extremely conservative, much more so than the japan or US you are familiar with.
3. Dyes cost money. Its explicitly stated in the VN that a lack of dye in the trainee suits saves money. This is a world where people are starving to death.
4. A mechanism by the writers to force the player to go through the same emotional trip that the main character goes through, at first it makes you uncomfortable and it seems weird, but that goes away and it does not faze you and you even forget that it exists.
5. Agian. The VN does not sexualize the female characters or the male characters due to this choice.
6. And yes. There is undoubtably a fan service component. I do not personally enjoy the fan service component, but it is something that is prevalent in culture. As others have easily pointed out, there is less nudity (even if you call the suits nudity) and fan service in here than many other materials you probably deem acceptable, such as any generic action movie that regularly feels compelled to have a token sex scene or a girl in a skimpy outfit. Its a fact of culture and society that we all have to put up with, but to dismiss great works because of a small indecency does a great disservice to yourself.

[Legata Flavia]

What kind of limited ♥♥♥♥♥ troll hate those pilot suits???

Wake up, we do live in 21st century, if its tabu for you, ignore the game and go wear hijaab.

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

the explanations seen reasonnble. maybe ill get this when it will come on sale...

[Randomacts]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Jolly Jew:

the explanations seen reasonnble. maybe ill get this when it will come on sale...

I figure the game will most likely go on sale sometime after Alternative comes out. Most likely what ever the next big sale after that is and then you can pick up both games at once.

I ofc don't have any 'real' info other then .. if they don't do that I will be very surprised.

[Akiba Rider]

After some reflection, it occurs to me that I don't think we ever actually see Takeru in the "transparent" looking suit like we do the girls except in chibi images, though he does explain that he feels the same embarassment in his thoughts I believe.

To offer a little more to what everyone else has said, when you move up in rank in Muv Luv's universe, everyone gets better suits (these are the more colorful ones you see on posters and merchandise with more armor), and I think that's where the original point of contention that the boys got armor and the girls were transparent arose from, because since you see the game from Takeru's perspective, you only see the girls (who are in training) as far as I remember.

If we were looking from a third person perspective, we'd see him in the same position as them.

[Scars Unseen]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Kamen Rider Seven:

After some reflection, it occurs to me that I don't think we ever actually see Takeru in the "transparent" looking suit like we do the girls except in chibi images, though he does explain that he feels the same embarassment in his thoughts I believe.

To offer a little more to what everyone else has said, when you move up in rank in Muv Luv's universe, everyone gets better suits (these are the more colorful ones you see on posters and merchandise with more armor), and I think that's where the original point of contention that the boys got armor and the girls were transparent arose from, because since you see the game from Takeru's perspective, you only see the girls (who are in training) as far as I remember.

If we were looking from a third person perspective, we'd see him in the same position as them.

[Muv-Luv Unlimited Spoilers Ahead!]
You don't see Takeru in a transparent suit ever because they didn't have any available for men on account of all the men pretty much having already been sent to the front already. Takeru wears a full fledged pilot's uniform(with the blue material) instead.

[cheer up]

"you just HAD to sexualize the girls somehow didn't you?"

You know what type of game this is, no?

[Randomacts]

Opprinnelig skrevet av 5P00N3D:

"you just HAD to sexualize the girls somehow didn't you?"

You know what type of game this is, no?

This is one of them FPS right?

[cheer up]

im too baffled to even be sarcastic. its as if i walked into a bar and got annoyed at the alcohol being served