How do spell circles picks effect how many tiers you get?

[joonkp1976]

I thought you get all of the tier spells of the spell circle picks until today when I picked 2 deaths for dark rituals and did not get the dark rituals. So how does this work? It seems like MoM now that I did not get dark rituals but I would like to know the exact mechanics of spell circles picks and how many such tier spells one gets. Thanks in advance...

[dergefata]

All spells are part of one or two circles.

All Tier 9 spells, and all Arcane spells, are part of only one circle. Any SorcLord can learn all Arcane spells (like Dispel Magic, or Spell of Domination) regardless of tier. In order to learn the Tier 9 spell of each circle, you must have nine picks in that circle.

All other spells are part of two circles. In order to be able to research them, you must have a combined total of their tier in the two schools. So, for example, Dark Rituals is Tier 2, Augmentation/Death. In order to be able to research it, you must have at least two total picks in Augmentation or Death - two Augmentation, two Death, or one of each. If you have more, that doesn't change anything. So with two picks in Death, you will be able to research Dark Rituals.

But that's not the same as starting with it available. To start with a Tier 2 spell, you need to have 7 or more pick in the circle. But as long as you have two in Death, you will eventually be able to research Dark Rituals. You just need it to show up in your spell book. Try casting Wizards Roulette if you don't have it yet. That will give you new spells to choose from.

[joonkp1976]

Thanks for the reply~! :):):)

[MechaBill]

Also, some spells you may *never* see, even if you have the requirements. The game limits you to a maximum number of spells (48?), although I suspect that this only applies to 2 circle spells. Since even when I hit my limit (there were empty spots in my research list), I got new tier IX spells as soon as I got the 9th circle in that school. My current game I went the longest time without FIREBALL or CIRCLE OF PROTECTION. That was worrisome for sure....

edit: I just checked my current game. The only Strategic spell i'm missing is Eye of Entropy so maybe it isn't as bad as I thought. Of course, I might be missing a bunch of Tactical spells...

[joonkp1976]

But as I recall from WoM or perhaps PC unofficial lists that there are tier X spells and I guess to get those spells you would need 1-9 + 9-1 picks in the two circles that make up those spells or 9 picks and mastery, am I right? Like summoning has Dragon which is tier 10 I recall where Fire Drake and Sky Drakes are tier 9...

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wait... I am wrong... there shows only to tier 9 spells in spell book... sorry, people~! :):):)

[dergefata]

I don't think that's right. I'm almost certain that I regularly get every spell in the game. I don't think there's a limit, MechaBill. EDIT: And I just chcked, and certainly have 186 strategic spells in my game that's wrapping up, so if there *is* a limit, it's so high as to be effectively nonexistant.

[MechaBill]

Originally posted by dergefata:

I don't think that's right. I'm almost certain that I regularly get every spell in the game. I don't think there's a limit, MechaBill.

You are correct. Eye of Entropy, despite being listed as a Strategic spell in the XML (at least the version im looking at) is a Tactical spell in the game. Also, I went over all 134 tactical spells I have and it appears that there are 134 spells in the XML (actually 137 but the last 3 are garbage).

I have no idea where I got that idea from. Especially since there was the specific number 48 that was stuck in my mind. Some blog perhaps?

[dergefata]

134 spells? Well, then I've somehow miscounted embarrasingly. I could have sworn I counted 93 rows in my spellbook, but there's that human error XD
EDIT: You explicitly said tactical spells. Man, I'm tired ;_;