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Xfing 2018 年 6 月 11 日 上午 12:55
Impressions about the Cronus Frontier story [SPOILERS!]
The story, the story... So much to say about it after completing the mission!

First off, while the twist was rather cliche, it still came unexpected (to me at least), and the tone shifted very quickly towards the ominous - especially the briefing before Vulpecular filled me with genuine dread. Gabriel Kantor at first felt like your average Corrupt Corporate Executive, but the character was explored very nicely and given both depth and redeeming qualities. The comeuppance he got was also quite unusual - his slow, gradual assimilation into the sovereign was rather disconcerting to witness, if only through dialogue (that just shows the quality of the writing and the delivery). The Vulpecular boss' dialogue, though, was extremely cliche, containing all the lines you've heard everywhere ten times already ("Why do you fight/resistance is futile/we have assimilated countless civilizations" etc.)

The aliens themselves have overall made an impression on me that you'd probably consider opposite to the intended. While portraying themselves as conquerors and assimilators of civilizations - they hardly felt evil at all. Their installations were beautiful rather than grotesque, they were machine-based and lacked that "visceral" element you'd probably associate evil aliens with (Independence Day, anyone?). Instead I got vibes more akin to Oblivion (the movie with Tom Cruise), though the color scheme doesn't match; or Halo the game (haven't played those much, but watched some let's plays and the aesthetics did remind me of this game somewhat). The aliens simply didn't seem that threatening, or that evil - in fact I admired them just like Kantor did, and kinda rooted for them, wanted to learn more about them. They indeed turned out to be up to no good, and the narration about the three queens was downright bone-chilling, but the levels themselves, I wouldn't call particularly scary. Maybe I'm jaded due to overexposure or something, or maybe purple simply isn't that good a color to give an evil alien faction. Green like Tycho Brahe, Mercenary level 4 and the Independence Day aliens fits the bill much better, I feel. Still, the levels were beautiful and very well designed, Kantor's story was both fascinating and tragic, and the cliffhanger with the last remaining sovereign leaves me wanting more of the story.

Overall I'd say great job - the story's derivativeness in places doesn't detract from the enjoyment of playing through it, and the threat of the aliens is justifiable, though IMO not entirely believable due to the chosen aesthetics of their installations which brings more to mind super-advanced good guys than all-assimilating aliens. Maybe I should just treat it as a case of Blue-Orange Morality?
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Soot Leopard 2018 年 6 月 11 日 下午 7:14 
Kantor? Redeeming quality? Where?!?
GepardenK 2018 年 6 月 12 日 下午 4:23 
引用自 Soot Leopard
Kantor? Redeeming quality? Where?!?

It was implied that the "queen" slowly made him obsessed - leading him to go further and further to protect her. It was she who motivated him to make the operator virus, while he thought it was all his own plan, and then triggered it prematurely when he hesitated. For all we know he may have been a normal dude before all this - and some audio logs even suggest this saying he changed after the enceladus crew incident.
最后由 GepardenK 编辑于; 2018 年 6 月 12 日 下午 4:25
Memerson 2018 年 6 月 12 日 下午 4:29 
Yeah, there's one recording that talks about how shaken up and disturbed he is by the deaths of the crew. Made me think along the same lines. Not exactly how a cold-blooded murderer would react.
Xfing 2018 年 6 月 13 日 下午 12:06 
Plus he's a genuine visionary and a science-loving man. He was horribly led astray though. The aspect of him being manipulated by one of the sovereigns really does add ominousness to the story. In fact, it actually kinda borders on horror in light of all these revelations :O
Soot Leopard 2018 年 6 月 15 日 上午 11:01 
Now I got a very different impression of him. A fragile man with an impulsive desire to be seen as a genius; terrified that someone else might know more than he does. On Enceladus he says he doesn't regret killing the Enceladus crew en route to Titan, and the log where he says that was recorded unambiguously before the Sovereign started talking to him (it was only found after Harper Eames joined Kantor's team, and she joined that team because the original team was killed).
The sovereign used Kantor's own flaws to manipulate him but those flaws were very very real already. He might not have been a murderer up until he found the ship but he was not a good person either. You gotta separate what he did before he found the sovereign from what he did after, and what he did before was not exactly angelic.

Edit: To expound on this ('cause he really is a fascinating villain), I don't think Kantor has redeeming qualities so much as lacks the qualities that generally make a villain a villain. He's not driven by greed, power, or ambition -- even when he's offered all those things in practically infinite amounts he still seems to be driven only by his own fear and insecurity. Instinct that leads to the isolationism you see in his domain. Especially telling in the briefing for level 15, where despite being a ruler in all senses of the word and even being incorporated into the sovereign at that point, he's referred to as a wizard, not a king.
He's not a hypocrite. He honestly seems to hold himself to the same standards he demands of everybody else on Cronus Frontier. They're just not reasonable standards.
And, and this is a subtler one, but when he realizes on Lyranicus what the sovereigns actually intend to do, he tries to resist the assimilation. He tries too late, but he does try.

If there's any villainous quality he does have it's that he absolutely is a genius. He managed to gaslight everybody on Cronus Frontier into basically attacking themselves without telling a single lie.
And he killed the Enceladus crew in cold blood before he even knew the sovereigns existed. He absolutely was not a good person.

@Blinky Zero I don't think being shaken up (whether he was or not -- I got the impression the person on the Phoebe Complex log, if that is the one you mean, was making an assumption from the fact that he was working himself hard) by the deaths of the Enceladus crew really counts for very much when he was still the one who killed them. Not saying any of you guys are wrong, or that he wasn't manipulated. Just remember that he already destroyed a shuttle full of his own people before any of that happened, just because he was afraid they might tell someone about "his" alien ship. And anyone who knows wild cats will tell you, those actions speak louder than his or anyone else's words.
最后由 Soot Leopard 编辑于; 2018 年 6 月 15 日 下午 2:59
Phazon Xenomorph 2018 年 6 月 15 日 下午 7:40 
As a diehard Descent fan I appreciate the games story and really liked that I could listen to it while blasting robots whenever an audio log pickup was available. That said I also remember the old Descent books by Peter Telep and have to wonder if potentially the same Aliens revealed to be behind the robot Virus (that sadly never got more explored in-game, probably would have been the plot of Descent 4) are potentially the same here or had come across them at the very least. Would be nice to see more Crossover content related to Descent thanks to the PTMC references in the audio logs.

Either way I wish we knew more about Kantors assimiliation into the Sovereign. Yes he found the Alien ship and the cores but did he just like link his mind somehow to the robot AI cores or did it somehow use tech to just slowly absorb him? And with the robot being named Juno at the same time, is it the same Juno from Juno Offworld company? There's a lot more questions I'd like to see answered and dearly hope this gets an expansion or sequel game.
GepardenK 2018 年 6 月 16 日 上午 4:03 
It seems heavily implied that the last sovereign/queen that had attached itself to the Iberia is responsible for the virus in Descent.

Kantor definitely got uploaded and merged into a collective consciousness; not merely linked.

The Juno voice was revealed to be from the collective consciousness. What this means is that you never actually had contact with the real Juno Offworld. It was the aliens (posing as Juno) who ordered you to Overload all the reactors after your response to the distress signal at Ymir. Notably the fake Juno never ordered you to rescue survivors - that was Mara's idea.
最后由 GepardenK 编辑于; 2018 年 6 月 16 日 上午 4:04
Xfing 2018 年 6 月 16 日 上午 5:47 
Yeah, the story is so deep that layers upon layers really do unravel the more you think about it.

What crossed my mind just now is the question why the last level is called Vulpecular? This word is an actual, real word synonimous to "vulpine", which means "relating to foxes" or "fox-like". I wonder whether this name was chosen to signify something, or just for how cool it sounds. The only possible association that comes to mind is that the voice of the final boss alien is a female, and females are often called "foxy" or referred to as "vixens" :D
Soot Leopard 2018 年 6 月 16 日 上午 7:41 
I think it's simpler than that. Towards the end of the game Alex Warden seems to be portrayed as the equivalent of a small but cunning and underestimated animal going up against the Sovereign who is big, beautiful, graceful, and very very nasty. Symbolically he's a fox up against a swan (Cygnusoria).

Interesting, Cheet, though the Iberia sovereign crossed my mind I thought it was more likely that the sovereign on the other side of the wormhole was responsible for the PTMC virus as another attempt to get its sisters back/devour Earth. Because, since time is established to be a little bit weird across the portal, even if it made the virus right away from its perspective (which is completely in character) it might not show up on the Juno/PTMC side of the universe for another hundred years.
This also would make Kantor the ultimate villain of the entire Descent series by proxy, and that's just cool.
最后由 Soot Leopard 编辑于; 2018 年 6 月 18 日 下午 8:23
Xfing 2018 年 6 月 18 日 上午 12:05 
I made the swan connection from the name (Cygnus) too, but that's quite enlightening what you said!

I'm unable to discern what Lyranicus means though.
Soot Leopard 2018 年 6 月 18 日 上午 7:17 
I tried too...
Best I can figure out, if it means anything, it has to have something to do with Kantor. Cannot figure out what it might mean though. I thought it might turn out to be something duck-related but so far I haven't connected it to that either.
最后由 Soot Leopard 编辑于; 2018 年 6 月 18 日 下午 8:22
Soot Leopard 2018 年 6 月 18 日 下午 6:26 
Now here's something interesting. The Cybelene war.
Only mentioned in passing a few times but even so, three major characters (including Alex Warden) are implied to have served and the two that talk about it seem to have found it particularly horrifying. Particularly telling is that a scientist, who was probably a noncombatant working military R&D, seems to have found the war more horrifying than an actual soldier who served three tours of duty on the same side. Whatever she was making must have been absolutely awful, and yet was received by the soldiers with more relief than horror.
The briefing for the falcon missile states that Juno's supply is expected to last three decades at the current rate of use -- current rate of use is being shoved into mining drones and used to haphazardly blast out tunnels on asteroids all over the belt -- that's not particularly low.
The other implication that from that same sentence is that Juno Offworld, a company with the resources and brainpower to reverse engineer alien technology even on a remote outpost cut off by two years of travel from outside resources cannot make more falcon missiles. That can only mean the manufacture of these missiles is now illegal under martial law.

Add that all together and you get a war that was long and brutally fought, yet ended years before anyone expected it to -- probably in something like a genocide.
最后由 Soot Leopard 编辑于; 2018 年 6 月 18 日 下午 6:27
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