Am I the only one disturbed by Battleye?

[Rusty Shackleford]

Are you serious with this? Did anyone even read the end user license agreement? Let me fill you in on the part that you skipped. The part that would steer anyone clear of installing Battleye software, and playing DOI in the future so long as they value any last piece of protection they had from the real hackers. I'm not talking about emotionally unstable, uncoordinated potato brains that download game hacks and ruin the game for everyone. I'm talking about identity thieves, malicious predators looking to exploit your actual life.

"- BattlEye may further report and store Licensee's Internet Protocol address, game account name and identifier, in-game nickname, and system-related and hardware-related information including, but not limited to, device identifiers and hardware serial numbers."

"- Licensor stores all information collected by BattlEye on servers located in Europe and/or the US. Licensor may share the information with its partners and/or affiliates.

- Licensee acknowledges that the invasive nature of BattlEye is necessary to meet its purpose and goal of preventing and detecting cheat programs."

Before someone decides to hop on here and use the argument that other games use it, or other anti-cheat software uses similar tactics, go ahead and show yourself out of this discussion. This one isn't for you. This software is blatantly invasive and provides absolutely ZERO reassurance of your system OR information not being exploited.

I for one will not be playing this game until this software is no longer a requirement to play. It's bad enough that the player-base is miniscule with less than 200 people playing on any given night. Then you slap this on us? I was recommending this game to everyone, now I'll be recommending that no one gets it.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Originally posted by ElGatuno:

Originally posted by Jonnydodger:

Well that ended the discussion.

Maybe for you.

[Sterling]

Originally posted by .∂єαglє_.∂αn.:

Originally posted by GOOD GETTING YOUR DREAMS OUT:

And what's the harm about that?

It's not so much what they're claiming to collect, it's what they're actually doing that we have a problem with. Scanning your entire memory and hard drive. One way or another, the software is going through every last file on your PC. What proof do you have that this will not be abused? You don't, aside from their privacy statement and license agreement which we've all obviously read. That's not enough for some of us. What's the harm in that? Again, our distrust in a software company that installs spyware on our computers is far from unreasonable.

Scanning memory is basic stuff an anticheat does.

[[BattlEye] $able]

Originally posted by Pvt. A. Maxim 508th PIR-4S-:

Well I will never ever trust battleye, since I know and I played 2 biggest games with that software who are known for loads of hackers: Arma 3 and Rainbow Six: Siege
Rainbow Six: Siege is very bad when the talk comes to anti-cheat software, which is aperantly Battleye. There's loads of hacker in this game. The main reason why this is the case is the game it-self: Biggest objective of the game if you want to win is to know your surroundings / know your enemy. And cheats especially help that, since any smart person can get away with wall hacks.
Same goes for Arma 3. The game is hard AF and the most valuable skill is knowing your surroundings. there's no indicators from where u got shot. There's no death cams. Hacker paradise basicly. Plus it's a sandbox, so there's loads of item spawning bastards too in gamemodes like Altis-Life or Epoch

I'm not sure when you last played Rainbow Six Siege, but from our experience the vast majority of the community thinks that the introduction of BE made the game close to cheat-free and I'm not exaggerating here. You can find proof of that in communities discussing the game (Reddit, etc.). There are no (known) hack providers/sellers left, which is something you don't ever find in other popular games, and we consider that to be a success.

The same is the case for Arma 3, though it's a bit harder there due to the game's extremely open/trusting multiplayer engine, so a few people with very private or self-made hacks can sometimes indeed cause havoc. Though the amount of complaints in this game is quite low as well and therefore I can't share your view.

[[BattlEye] $able]

Originally posted by .∂єαglє_.∂αn.:

One way or another, the software is going through every last file on your PC.

No, it doesn't. It would be incredibly pointless to scan "everything" on your system. Actually the amount of data being scanned is very limited in relative terms.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Originally posted by BattlEye $able:

Originally posted by .∂єαglє_.∂αn.:

One way or another, the software is going through every last file on your PC.

No, it doesn't. It would be incredibly pointless to scan "everything" on your system. Actually the amount of data being scanned is very limited in relative terms.

On that subject, would you care to go into specifics? So far the only explanation that I've received about that are detailing vague algorithms and targeting a general set of files that have yet to be named.

"- BattlEye may scan Licensee's entire random access memory (RAM), and any game-related and system-related files and folders on Licensee's system using cheat-program-identifying algorithms, report results of such algorithms to other connected computers and/or to Licensor and store such information for the sole purpose of preventing and detecting the use of cheat programs. BattlEye only scans and/or reports data which absolutely needs to be scanned and/or reported to meet this purpose."

So what exactly does "any game-related and SYSTEM-related files and folders on Licensee's system" mean?

[Sinclair]

Originally posted by .∂єαglє_.∂αn.:

Originally posted by BattlEye $able:

No, it doesn't. It would be incredibly pointless to scan "everything" on your system. Actually the amount of data being scanned is very limited in relative terms.

On that subject, would you care to go into specifics? So far the only explanation that I've received about that are detailing vague algorithms and targeting a general set of files that have yet to be named.

"- BattlEye may scan Licensee's entire random access memory (RAM), and any game-related and system-related files and folders on Licensee's system using cheat-program-identifying algorithms, report results of such algorithms to other connected computers and/or to Licensor and store such information for the sole purpose of preventing and detecting the use of cheat programs. BattlEye only scans and/or reports data which absolutely needs to be scanned and/or reported to meet this purpose."

So what exactly does "any game-related and SYSTEM-related files and folders on Licensee's system" mean?

what does it matters if it's "cheat-program-identifying algorithms"

[[BattlEye] $able]

Originally posted by .∂єαglє_.∂αn.:

Originally posted by BattlEye $able:

No, it doesn't. It would be incredibly pointless to scan "everything" on your system. Actually the amount of data being scanned is very limited in relative terms.

On that subject, would you care to go into specifics? So far the only explanation that I've received about that are detailing vague algorithms and targeting a general set of files that have yet to be named.

"- BattlEye may scan Licensee's entire random access memory (RAM), and any game-related and system-related files and folders on Licensee's system using cheat-program-identifying algorithms, report results of such algorithms to other connected computers and/or to Licensor and store such information for the sole purpose of preventing and detecting the use of cheat programs. BattlEye only scans and/or reports data which absolutely needs to be scanned and/or reported to meet this purpose."

So what exactly does "any game-related and SYSTEM-related files and folders on Licensee's system" mean?

Game: Day of Infamy
System: Windows (OS)

There would be zero point in scanning your personal documents unless you think that we have malicious intent, in which case you should never use our software (and any other software you choose to install on your system).

[BurntCornFlakes]

Originally posted by BattlEye $able:

Originally posted by .∂єαglє_.∂αn.:

On that subject, would you care to go into specifics? So far the only explanation that I've received about that are detailing vague algorithms and targeting a general set of files that have yet to be named.

"- BattlEye may scan Licensee's entire random access memory (RAM), and any game-related and system-related files and folders on Licensee's system using cheat-program-identifying algorithms, report results of such algorithms to other connected computers and/or to Licensor and store such information for the sole purpose of preventing and detecting the use of cheat programs. BattlEye only scans and/or reports data which absolutely needs to be scanned and/or reported to meet this purpose."

So what exactly does "any game-related and SYSTEM-related files and folders on Licensee's system" mean?

Game: Day of Infamy
System: Windows (OS)

There would be zero point in scanning your personal documents unless you think that we have malicious intent, in which case you should never use our software (and any other software you choose to install on your system).

/thread

[Rusty Shackleford]

Originally posted by BattlEye $able:

Originally posted by .∂єαglє_.∂αn.:

On that subject, would you care to go into specifics? So far the only explanation that I've received about that are detailing vague algorithms and targeting a general set of files that have yet to be named.

"- BattlEye may scan Licensee's entire random access memory (RAM), and any game-related and system-related files and folders on Licensee's system using cheat-program-identifying algorithms, report results of such algorithms to other connected computers and/or to Licensor and store such information for the sole purpose of preventing and detecting the use of cheat programs. BattlEye only scans and/or reports data which absolutely needs to be scanned and/or reported to meet this purpose."

So what exactly does "any game-related and SYSTEM-related files and folders on Licensee's system" mean?

Game: Day of Infamy
System: Windows (OS)

There would be zero point in scanning your personal documents unless you think that we have malicious intent, in which case you should never use our software (and any other software you choose to install on your system).

I'm not accusing your company of malicious intent. I'm pointing out the flaws that I believe are not to be trusted, by me, personally. The invasiveness is what I have issues with. Your software can be abused by someone who does in fact have malicious intent, which is my main concern.

So from what I'm gathering, any Windows related files and folders can be scanned by Battleye. Along with your RAM, and anything you keep on your Windows OS. Welp that about covers "everything". All I have from you is your word, which means about as much as mine does to you.

No, I will not be using your software. I know you've gathered that much. At least I got you to admit that the license agreement allows your software to scan "everything" at your own consent.

[[BattlEye] $able]

Originally posted by .∂єαglє_.∂αn.:

So from what I'm gathering, any Windows related files and folders can be scanned by Battleye. Along with your RAM, and anything you keep on your Windows OS. Welp that about covers "everything". All I have from you is your word, which means about as much as mine does to you.

You misinterpreted what I said. OS-related files are those that your system uses to function or provide its functionality to software running on it (like games), i.e. its core. For example, that includes the DLL files located in the System32 directory.

Just because you can access your personal data/documents through Windows doesn't mean they are a part of it. They are not involved in any way in the operation of the system.

Originally posted by .∂єαglє_.∂αn.:

At least I got you to admit that the license agreement allows your software to scan "everything" at your own consent.

See above.

[[BattlEye] $able]

Originally posted by Marked One:

is it possible to uninstall it conventionally & completely if I don't need it any more (if i uninstall day of infamy)? is it difficult to remove like securom? is it a rootkit?

It's very simple, just go to your BattlEye folder in the game directory and run "Uninstall_BattlEye.bat".

[Sterling]

Originally posted by .∂єαglє_.∂αn.:

Originally posted by BattlEye $able:

Game: Day of Infamy
System: Windows (OS)

There would be zero point in scanning your personal documents unless you think that we have malicious intent, in which case you should never use our software (and any other software you choose to install on your system).

I'm not accusing your company of malicious intent. I'm pointing out the flaws that I believe are not to be trusted, by me, personally. The invasiveness is what I have issues with. Your software can be abused by someone who does in fact have malicious intent, which is my main concern.

So from what I'm gathering, any Windows related files and folders can be scanned by Battleye. Along with your RAM, and anything you keep on your Windows OS. Welp that about covers "everything". All I have from you is your word, which means about as much as mine does to you.

No, I will not be using your software. I know you've gathered that much. At least I got you to admit that the license agreement allows your software to scan "everything" at your own consent.

I still don't get what's the problem about having your RAM scanned.

[[BattlEye] $able]

Originally posted by Marked One:

Originally posted by BattlEye $able:

It's very simple, just go to your BattlEye folder in the game directory and run "Uninstall_BattlEye.bat".

thanks for reply, no remnant files or null registry keys are left behind? will ccleaner help with that? I've used Battleye and it seems ok, just curious to know about these intricate details.

No, nothing. But even if you don't uninstall it BE will never be active in any way unless your game is running, so it's just files residing on your hard disk somewhere (of which there are many on any system, even if properly cleaned).

[Crohns Racing]

BattleEye has proven trustable, I've been using it in the Arma games for years and years now, nobody's tried to kill me with information BattleEye's given them yet, so I think we're all safe.

[Lupos Dios]

Originally posted by Pvt. A. Maxim 508th PIR-4S-:

Originally posted by dunadan:

Arma games have been using BattleEye for years. Never noticed anyone complaining about it.

Play some Altis Life

No wonder I never encountered hacker's when they stay on this joke mod