Waffen SS outfits

[SixThe9th]

I mean it is just a minor complaint, but still from a historical standpoint - Why do u exclude the SS from Waffen SS units? That is not authentic considering every other outfit in the game has an exact and accurate name?

There was no such a unit as 1. Panzergrendier Division, but 1st SS Panzer Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler for instance. Care to explain?

[Armfelt]

Please use the search function before posting *drinks while at work*

[SixThe9th]

Lol like if I was asking for a vague, dismissive and generally useless response.

[ashton]

Portraying the SS-regiments with correct names and imagery would lead to problems with selling the game in Germany. This has been answered several times on this forum, and is not something worth discussing anymore.

[SixThe9th]

Wait, what is the problerm with Waffen SS? Mostly soldiers like any others - historically correct. Or is this again a problem of victor's morale? Why games like CoD and MoH and Wolfenstein have no problem of displaying SS units accurately? Aren't we talking history here?

[Jonnydodger]

Originally posted by SixTheNinth:

Wait, what is the problerm with Waffen SS? Mostly soldiers like any others - historically correct. Or is this again a problem of victor's morale? Why games like CoD and MoH and Wolfenstein have no problem of displaying SS units accurately? Aren't we talking history here?

You're German, read up on your country's laws on Nazi imagery in video games.

[ashton]

The games you mentioned are censored in Germany, with no historically correct Nazi imagery shown (Unless you pirated them?). While a big studio might have the resources and time to make a censored version of the game for sales in Germany, that wouldnt work for NWI. They are too small, and have other priorities that are more important.

If you desire SS-runes and swastikas so much, check the Workshop for mods or make your own ones.

While your statement about Waffen-SS might have some base in reality, there is no denying that these units were involved in some of the worst war crimes of the war. For NWI its better being safe than sorry, so its pointless trying to persuade them into changing their stance on this.

[SixThe9th]

Ok, point taken. It is just buffling having a 1. Panzer Division, which was a totally different armored outfit of Heer disguised as LSSAH. We can discuss the war crimes of Waffen SS vs Red Army and Allies in depth with probably not finding that many significant differences in the scale of atrocities between them. Alas, political correctness and victor's moraliity standpoint conqueres any hsitorical correctness. Mods will do then.

[Big Duke]

Originally posted by SixTheNinth:

Ok, point taken. It is just buffling having a 1. Panzer Division, which was a totally different armored outfit of Heer disguised as LSSAH. We can discuss the war crimes of Waffen SS vs Red Army and Allies in depth with probably not finding that many significant differences in the scale of atrocities between them. Alas, political correctness and victor's moraliity standpoint conqueres any hsitorical correctness. Mods will do then.

The problem is that the victors decide who the criminals were. But, after all these years i would say enough with the censorship. Political correctness is at an all time assinine high though.

[J. Bruh]

2/3 of the Waffen-SS were volunteers who knew exactly what they were doing, they we're not "just regular soldiers". They commited crimes against humanity, atrocious acts of torture and violence and should not be something taken lightly in a videogame.

[SixThe9th]

Originally posted by J. Bruh:

2/3 of the Waffen-SS were volunteers who knew exactly what they were doing, they we're not "just regular soldiers". They commited crimes against humanity, atrocious acts of torture and violence and should not be something taken lightly in a videogame.

Clearly a swaying response from someone who knows a very little about the actual historical reality of Waffen SS units.

[Wolf.Enstein]

Originally posted by X-BigDukeSix:

The problem is that the victors decide who the criminals were. But, after all these years i would say enough with the censorship. Political correctness is at an all time assinine high though.

+1

Originally posted by SixTheNinth:

Clearly a swaying response from someone who knows a very little about the actual historical reality of Waffen SS units.

+1

[JRDN]

This thread is very inteesting since now its delving onto the historical side.
I am very pleased to see tht the creator of this thread is actually not being a total ♥♥♥♥♥ and is admiting to his history as which many germans sadly do not.
As you said there where attrocities commited on all sides but it has been proved that the soviets committed the most crimes. I agree that by now Germany should accept its past and not censor Nazi history there is no way of erasing it anyway.
Now focusing on the Game side as previously pointed out no Waffen SS units are in the game because of german censoring and after all this game has been made to turn a profit so the devs will obsiously choose profit over realism thankfully there are mods to solve this.
I am surprised that the 1st Fallschirmjager is in the game too

[Armfelt]

Originally posted by SixTheNinth:

Originally posted by J. Bruh:

2/3 of the Waffen-SS were volunteers who knew exactly what they were doing, they we're not "just regular soldiers". They commited crimes against humanity, atrocious acts of torture and violence and should not be something taken lightly in a videogame.

Clearly a swaying response from someone who knows a very little about the actual historical reality of Waffen SS units.

HIAG much? There was that one small trial in Nuremberg, which found that "the units of the Waffen-SS were directly involved in the killings of the prisoners of war and the atrocities in the occupied countries" and judged the entire SS to be a criminal organisation."

Here is a good source for reading up on your Waffen-SS's divisions actual historical reality:
http://www.axishistory.com/axis-nations/germany-a-austria/waffen-ss/119-germany-waffen-ss/germany-waffen-ss-divisions/1242-waffen-ss-divisionen

Anyway as mentioned earlier, workshop.

Let's not kid ourselves either:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2206982/I-liked-shoot--women-kids--kind-sport-Secret-Nazi-tapes-reveal-ordinary-German-soldiers-responsible-war-crimes-just-SS.html

I got the book that article is referencing: Soldaten: On Fighting, Killing and Dying: The Secret Second World War Tapes of German POWs. It's a good one.

[bnjov1]

dont get brainwashed by these lies armfelt ;D

[Gren]

Except what we have now is basically a censored version already. Making an "uncensored" version is not spamming swastikas across the map and giving out red armbands and ♥♥♥♥♥. Small texture change on the eagles and some unit patches are pretty easy to implement, even with the supposed "small budget".

What bothers me more however is lackluster camo patterns on german units. Having real patterns and uniforms? Screw that, let's just give them camos that look "cool"(and also dumb). Oh, and also don't forget that even though the maps have "historical" locks on them, allowing to play only as units which fought there except bonuses for Early Access ownership, "colored" units are still allowed on all maps for some reason. Really boggles the mind.