Lun/Huron vs. Sul/Atlantica?

[Dat Zorro]

Ahoy!

Since both seem to be high-tier-subs and thus are very expensive, I wanted to ask if you have both and can compare them. From first look, the Sul appears to be an underwater-battleship, which has to rely on its massive amount of life points to endure battles, since it's pretty much impossible to miss. But how is the Lun, despite being much smaller, even slower than the Sul?

Or do you even think, that they are not worth the price and I should stick to the other 3 subs with their upgrades instead?

[calum_94]

Hi,

Both of these subs are high tier, but the Lun (imo) doesn't compare well with the snapper or sabre, simply because of the speed and handling issues (spped can be fixed with crew but handling can't (idea for devs maybe)). i imagine if you dont have the manta available the lun is still quite potent, but if you do, it's worse in most respects.

The Sul however really is quite good, easily better than any other ship in a straight fight. its downsides involve exploration; it is very hard to dock with locations on the sea floor (better with the lastest patch, but sometimes it is just too big, as it should be really!) and it does also turn very slowly as you'd expect. The last issue with it is a bit subjective, but i've found that the amount of guns it carries leads to very fast fire rates with normally slow firing (but powerful) weapons, this can lead to you accidentally destroy a lot of the ships you've planned to loot, notably big enemies like snappers and cutlasses, which still only take 1 more hit with a krok to render them unsalvagable.

hope this helps you decide which to buy, but late game it's quite fun to just have most/all ships anyway, as each have benefits for different situations.

[Lillin]

Just a note regarding accidentally destroying ships meant to be docked and looted -- we'll be adding more health to wrecks so that it's harder to accidentally destroy them, since this was never the intention.

[calum_94]

Awesome, i was hoping this might get modified

[Of The Dead]

If you have the special edition Manta you're probably not going to use the Lun. The Manta is a faster, more manueverable version. In fact you are probably going to use the Manta through the whole game till you get the Sabre. Which is kinda sad, cause the Lun is very pretty. If the manuevering and speed was buffed to the same level as the manta, I'd use the Lun. But as it is, it has the maneuvering and speed of the Sul, with around a fifth of the Sul's firepower.

EDIT: After looking at the stats card, it looks like the Lun is actually SLOWER than the Sul. No excuse for that imo.

[calum_94]

I'm with you on that one, i like the feeling that the manta is more of a lightweight stripped out Huron. But because of this i think the the Lun needs a buff to its health and overall firepower to compensate (maybe an additional gun in the fore-turret, and an additional single turret behing the conning tower). it should also be said that being able to have 2 more crew isn't very useful until we have a method to store the extra crew if we want to change ships, as it currently is very unclear as to where they go.

[Lillin]

Thanks for the feedback! We'll look into the proper approach for re-balancing this sub. I liked the suggestion for upping health and firepower on the Lun, as well as bringing up her speed and agility a tad.

[waydownLo]

Originally posted by cippy:

Thanks for the feedback! We'll look into the proper approach for re-balancing this sub. I liked the suggestion for upping health and firepower on the Lun, as well as bringing up her speed and agility a tad.

One simple way to explain lore-wise the Lun/Manta difference you just laid out would be to say that the Lun and the Manta are custom refits of the Huron-class boat. The Lun added heavier armor and a superstructure that could support heavier gun mountings (faster rate of fire in game?), while the Manta went without the heavier armor and arms in favor of an upgraded drive train and cargo capacity.

[DarthSasquatch]

Huron vs Atlantica
Both advertise a crush depth of 500m at time of posting this, but i found the atlantica can go into the abyss below 1000m, not sure which part of that was the bug. I tried this because it advertised 20+ turrets, before upgrading my normal sub to lv3. It could finish the game, but its so big and akward that it cant dock with a specific story item.

For 500m the Huron is my fav, the Atlantica was just to big and hard to manouver to bring all that extra firepower to bear, especialy on drones. Neither i feel outperform the lv3 royal cruiser in combat IMO.

And once i got the sniper cannon, number of turrets became 'meh', as most targets go down in 1-2 hits anyway making it deadly and ammo efficent. Moving more off topic, but that seems busted to me, the rapid fire/spray turrets should fire more shots per scrap. Its hard for me to justify using anything else, spend 2 scrap and loot 10, or spend 20 and loot 10. Either the sniper cannon should cost multiple scrap to fire once, or the daka-dakas should fire multiple shots with one trigger pull. I didnt try all the turrets yet so maybe theres a rapid fire one that blows the sniper out of the water.

[Lolpingu]

Sul > everything else because it feels so good knowing that you're bigger than everyone else except for other Atlantica-class ships and bosses, and that you can outgun and outtank just about anything the game throws at you with your 85 hull points.

Though I'm still not sure why the game tells you that it has 28 bolt cannons when in reality it only seems to have 12 bolt cannons spread between its gun turrets.

[Samurai]

how i access the new ships im at the shipyard but there not showing up for me am i doing something wrong

[Dat Zorro]

Originally posted by Samurai:

how i access the new ships im at the shipyard but there not showing up for me am i doing something wrong

You can't buy ships at your homebase.

But new ones are available at the docks in the second level.

[Samurai]

I'm in the second area of the game and it said you can get them there but when I talk to the ship merchant they aren't there at all. Do I need to start a new game cause I'm playing from an old save

[Of The Dead]

Originally posted by Samurai:

I'm in the second area of the game and it said you can get them there but when I talk to the ship merchant they aren't there at all. Do I need to start a new game cause I'm playing from an old save

Progress through the quests. You get them later, right before chapter 3.

[Samurai]

Ah ok thank you for clearing that up for me

[Samurai]

ok im at the part to go to the 3 area but the new ships still arent there because the only ones that show up are the basic ones and the manta thats it