New 1 hp relic OP

[ClayXros (Plain Cereal)]

So I am unsure anyone has run across it yet, as it is one of the new cursed relics you can rent before a run. It is a set of wings, one black one white, and sets all health of both you and enemies to 1. This includes all the bosses. On the surface it is a high risk low reward Relic for everyone except speedrunners....except here is the trick.

Using nothing but a ranged basic arcana, the new Ice Spear signature, homing fire and shield walls I rushed through the game with ease and beat the final boss in under 10 minutes. The shield wall really works wonders, both blocking and dealing minute damage (which with this relic is a lethal hit even to bosses), and the ice spear is in effect a gun with how fast it moves and hits bosses. I am thinking the relic might actually have to be modified, as it is far too easy to breeze through a run in its current state. Heck, you could give yourself the crown as your basic relic so you get a free life on each floor.

Perhaps bosses are given the normal amount of health or half, and all enemies are given 1/4 health(or still 1 hit). This would mean the player needs to still pay attention, and they cannot breeze through it with ease. This relic was clearly intended to be a hard mode of sorts, but it actually acts more like an easy button with how many ways there are to avoid damage at the moment.

[Tomibouzu]

....b....b...b..b..but this game is too hard, it's just too hard.

[ClayXros (Plain Cereal)]

Originally posted by Tomibouzu:

....b....b...b..b..but this game is too hard, it's just too hard.

The Dark Souls of rogue-likes should be! Let this relic drop us to the level of the Depraved, as it should!

[Tomibouzu]

Originally posted by ClayXros (Plain Cereal):

Originally posted by Tomibouzu:

....b....b...b..b..but this game is too hard, it's just too hard.

The Dark Souls of rogue-likes should be! Let this relic drop us to the level of the Depraved, as it should!

but this game is meant for the ultra casual crowd, why else would it be on humble?

[arceus03]

Well... you just gave me an idea for my next setup, so thanks XD

[Teal V2]

This is just an item you can buy. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
Why would you nerf something which does not affect you if you don't want to?

Buy the 99 damage relic if you want the effect you just mentioned.

[HoneyDrake]

Originally posted by 𝓣𝒆𝓪𝒍 𝓥𝟐:

This is just an item you can buy. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
Why would you nerf something which does not affect you if you don't want to?

Buy the 99 damage relic if you want the effect you just mentioned.

This. As long as none of those 2 relics appear in any regular run, I am fine with them existing before starting an run.

[The Smile]

Originally posted by Honey Drake:

Originally posted by 𝓣𝒆𝓪𝒍 𝓥𝟐:

This is just an item you can buy. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
Why would you nerf something which does not affect you if you don't want to?

Buy the 99 damage relic if you want the effect you just mentioned.

This. As long as none of those 2 relics appear in any regular run, I am fine with them existing before starting an run.

I think all the relics that he sells in the plaza do not appear in the trials at all, including the ones that you used to be able to get inside the dungeon. I could be wrong, but I have yet to see the broken plague flask in the trials since the update.

[HoneyDrake]

Originally posted by The Smile:

Originally posted by Honey Drake:

This. As long as none of those 2 relics appear in any regular run, I am fine with them existing before starting an run.

I think all the relics that he sells in the plaza do not appear in the trials at all, including the ones that you used to be able to get inside the dungeon. I could be wrong, but I have yet to see the broken plague flask in the trials since the update.

I am not sure about that, but it seems like I had the option to take the pot once inside an run. Could be me mistaking it for sth else though.

[Kae Tokiha]

Originally posted by Honey Drake:

Originally posted by The Smile:

I think all the relics that he sells in the plaza do not appear in the trials at all, including the ones that you used to be able to get inside the dungeon. I could be wrong, but I have yet to see the broken plague flask in the trials since the update.

I am not sure about that, but it seems like I had the option to take the pot once inside an run. Could be me mistaking it for sth else though.

They don't appear inside dungeon.

[arceus03]

Originally posted by The Smile:

I think all the relics that he sells in the plaza do not appear in the trials at all, including the ones that you used to be able to get inside the dungeon. I could be wrong, but I have yet to see the broken plague flask in the trials since the update.

I believe you're right. In the changelog, they mentioned that some cursed relics have "been moved to the plaza", so those don't appear in the run.

[Redwolf]

i think all the new cursed relics in the plaza are super fun and great and dont need to be changed

[ClayXros (Plain Cereal)]

All very good points, everyone! My post was admittedly partially in jest, but at the same time this relic seemed to work a little too well for getting that speedrun achievement. I am just not sure they intended for it to be that easy to obtain is all.

[Tomibouzu]

Originally posted by ClayXros (Plain Cereal):

All very good points, everyone! My post was admittedly partially in jest, but at the same time this relic seemed to work a little too well for getting that speedrun achievement. I am just not sure they intended for it to be that easy to obtain is all.

I can get that. Tbh it is a bit of a double edged sword. If you have an understanding of the game it can probably end up pretty easy, but i can see it getting many killed just as easily. The main bosses were already far too easy for it to really make a difference with. some of the rooms could still pose a threat.

[HoneyDrake]

Originally posted by Emyr:

Honestly I think the 99 damage relic is even more "op" (neither of them are really op because they come with huge risks but just in comparison) than the 1 hp relic, you can combo spells easily and still one shot basically every enemy, the difference is that you can actually take 6 hits without revive or shield relics on base, instead of dieing instantly if you mess up. Also, relics that would normally punish you (etc Double Toil) like taking double damage for reduced cooldowns, every attack is still locked to 99 damage NO MATTER WHAT. So basically you get free half cooldowns while still being able to take 6 hits (not including relics).

For the 99 dmg relic to work properly/better than the 1 hit kill, you need more to set it up.

Instead of just getting zephyr, any fast acting basic arcana/ fire shield dash and any kind of CDR (also starting with the Demi's Teapot for 40% duration buff) you need luck getting the required skills and relics.

But if you get an "Bolt Rail, Fuelled Berserk, Magnetic Follow-up" set up... while maybe also picking up zephyr... yeah, it is the better options.

[ClayXros (Plain Cereal)]

Originally posted by Tomibouzu:

Originally posted by ClayXros (Plain Cereal):

All very good points, everyone! My post was admittedly partially in jest, but at the same time this relic seemed to work a little too well for getting that speedrun achievement. I am just not sure they intended for it to be that easy to obtain is all.

I can get that. Tbh it is a bit of a double edged sword. If you have an understanding of the game it can probably end up pretty easy, but i can see it getting many killed just as easily. The main bosses were already far too easy for it to really make a difference with. some of the rooms could still pose a threat.

This is why I ran Earth Shield. It makes most rooms an absolute joke without any need to pay attention for the most part. The only time I needed the revive crown on my run was when I forgot I hadn't cleared the floor when I killed the floor-boss.