Might and Magic: Heroes VII – Trial by Fire DLC

[ｓｔａｒｓｋｙ]

are you joke right what price is this 30 euros what hell?

[MONZUN]

Messaggio originale di filozof:

This is their last try to make money on Heroes VII, that is one of the reasons why is the price so high. I am sure they are done with the game after this.

yeah.. 100% true.. its more or less even guaranteed because there's a complete edition out now with the main game and the addon.. complete for heroes always meant they are done with it.. always

maybe some of you remember heroes5.. there was the gold edition with the first addon and then later the complete edition with the second addon and that was it :D

[Hermundure]

I will never buy such an overpriced product.

[Broom]

Messaggio originale di Bender-Zadunaysky:

Ubisoft priced pre-order of this ORIGINAL game 30$ (not 60$ Ubisoft game pre-order!). What you think about this?

http://store.steampowered.com/app/374520/

That's not how value works. That game is a single-player game for an unknown IP. It likely has FAR less features than HoMM7 and is far less complicated to work on both the art and development side of. Economics is interesting, you should do some research on it.

[Fen_]

Damn, dat fleecing! ahaha nice trolling Ubi 10/10

[Broom]

Messaggio originale di Bender-Zadunaysky:

Messaggio originale di AllBall:

That's not how value works. That game is a single-player game for an unknown IP. It likely has FAR less features than HoMM7 and is far less complicated to work on both the art and development side of. Economics is interesting, you should do some research on it.

I'm just interesting why Single-Player full game is 1.5 times cheaper (in my region) than expansion which includes 1/6 of original MMH7 content and it's current more expensive than original?

Again, because value doesn't work like that. "A full game" can mean a LOT of different things. Transistor was a "full game" that only took me 6 hours to beat. It was a ton of fun and so I got the value out of it at $15. Further, the work that went into the writing, gameplay, and artwork MORE than justified the price.

Meanwhile, I pay $60 for Total War: Warhammer. That is also a "full game" that I got the value out of. But at a completely different price point.

Similarly, DLC for a game may range in price but ultimately what sets a price is the minimum price a vendor thinks they can sell something for and still be profitable. If they aren't turning a profit then they just wasted the last year of development. Because let me tell you a secret about games like Heroes 7 and Total War: Warhammer that have top tier graphics and expansive systems built around them: They are sold initially at an expected loss.

$50-60 for a game like these does not net much in the way of profits after years of developer work, costly art and animation, and marketing (however minimal it may be for some games). What they are is a platform to try and create buzz and further profit down the road. DLC/expansions are one way to extend the shelf-life of a game and help ameliorate the burden of development.

Game developers can't survive in the modern game economy if they just put out the base game and call it done or sell DLC for nothing (unless it's a popular enough game where they can make up for cheapness with volume). Heroes of Might and Magic is NOT a popular series. Look at the subreddit for it compared to almost any other game genre. And one with 7 entries at that! We are a niche audience and they are doing their best to give us what we want.

They have to charge $30 because if they charge $15 it won't pay for itself and all the other free content let alone make a profit. $30 is standard expansion price for old games. I mean, I paid $30 for Starcraft: Brood War and all it had was 6 new units, 2 new tilesets, and 3 campaigns. This expansion has a whole new faction, artifacts, abilities, etc.! When you add in the stuff they are giving away for free it's incredible value they are providing!

Hey I think I just figured out how to pitch this purchase to my wife. Thanks!

[Broom]

Messaggio originale di Bender-Zadunaysky:

Sorry for troubling, but I really like Heroes 7 and full complete it. I bought H7 on March, with 50% discount. But 20$+ is too expensive for my country

Hey man, I get it. Different amounts of money mean different things to everybody. This thread has an extremely negative tone though that I think is unjustified.

There's still the patch with the in-client RMG to enjoy! So happy skirmishing!

[JayXan]

you people are entitled. This is an expansion pack. Expansion packs traditionally are 30 bucks. Stfu. This probably adds a ♥♥♥♥ ton of more content than most dlc which gives about an hour of gameplay.

[LPDAiborne82]

Messaggio originale di filozof:

Good job blaming the victim like every fanboy usually does. People will voice their opinions and it's you who will have to get over. Also you are really naive if you think there will be another expansion for this game. This is their last try to make money on Heroes VII, that is one of the reasons why is the price so high. I am sure they are done with the game after this.

Not blaming the victim at all. Its not victimization to have to pay for a game? They worked hard on this and are going to continue doing so I have no doubt. They arent done after this and thats because ubisoft and Im sure Limbic too dont normally abandon their games after less than a year of release? That would make no sense at all. It wouldnt surprise me to see a lot more patch support and at least one more expansion maybe even two more. Limbic just seems to be moving a little faster than Heroes V did which isnt necessarily a bad thing. Games are continuing to go up in price and thats not so much their fault. They worked on it they are free to charge as they please.

[MONZUN]

Messaggio originale di jayxan:

you people are entitled. This is an expansion pack. Expansion packs traditionally are 30 bucks. Stfu. This probably adds a ♥♥♥♥ ton of more content than most dlc which gives about an hour of gameplay.

yeah really ?? i'll just quote myself to make it easy for me because you ofc are talking complete nonsense:

i could give you different examples of dlc's that had incredible amounts of content and are priced much lower.. just look at the gta4 dlcs.. both dlcs had like 10-20 hours of unique content and were priced at 10€ each !!

or borderlands 1.. the main dlcs there were also priced at 10€ and had also content for 10-20 hours each.

or witcher 3.. one of the best examples. hearts of stone has around 15 hours of content with a new part of the main unlocked that wasn't in the main game and it costs 10€ !!

witcher 3 again.. blood and wine has up to 40 hours of content and everything in there is completely new.. a completely new "game world" created.. dozends of new quests with ofc full synchronisation and everything even with greater quality then the already incredible quality of the main game and it costs how much ??

20€ !

i could go on and on endlessly.. the fact still stands the homm7 trial by fire is one of the most overpriced addons/dlcs i've seen so far and not worth the asking price. it might be worte half that. for 15€ i wouldn't complain but 30€ is absolutely ridiculous. i'm sorry that limbic has to deal with SUCH a horrible publisher.. seriously ubisoft managed to become the worst publisher on the planet and there was a time where they were among the best publishers on this planet.. but that was really long ago.. like 10+ years ago :(

[Harleigh]

Messaggio originale di Aiborne82:

L However just like Heroes V it's going to take a while before they get everything done with this game that they planned to.

Here's the thing, if a game isn't in early access I expect it to be finished when they are trying to sell it to me at a ridiculous price.

[Mindaugas]

30euros ? Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insane ? :? for what for this buggy mess ? fix core game than ask stupid amount of money for small dlc

[Bozz 💀]

My mind is absolutely bullet proof, solid as a rock ! there is no chance in the world i'm going to pay 30$ for this !

[OldSchoolC]

Anyone spent enough time with it yet to say how many bugs are left in it? Any game breaking ones?

[LPDAiborne82]

Only one I have found so far is the Dwarven Town Hall building seems to be mising in the town screen menu. Other than that its running a bit smoother and I havent had a crash yet which used be sort of frequent which is nice.

[KantiranRhodan]

I will wait for a price drop (haven't played this game in a while actually so I still have to beat most of it). I actually hoped that the HOMM games discount would also count for this HOMM GAME(!). But like this I will put it on my follow list and check avery now and then if there is a price drop in half a year or so...