Spears ...worse than sword and board/axe and board.

[Fast]

Why are they so weak?

I dont understand its a 2 hander. they do less damage than my 1-H swords and axes.

[Gas Head]

Their advantage is the reach. You can attack from the second row.

[Fast]

Originally posted by Gas Head:

Their advantage is the reach. You can attack from the second row.

but whats the point? if u can just run someone up with more DR/Block chance/and damage ? You have 6 characters its unreasonable to think you cant use the number of hexes to kill people anyway. I'de say the second row is a MINOR advantage compared to those given by shields.

[PaX'or'Kids]

Maybe it is meant to represent the fighting styles of that particular period. The classic viking shield wall kind of limited the effectiveness of certain weapons.

[TormDK]

Originally posted by Epic Story:

Why are they so weak?

I dont understand its a 2 hander. they do less damage than my 1-H swords and axes.

Craft something better then. Spears have better Crit multiplier, and better armour piecing, as well as reach.

I quite like Nefja's usage of it at least, and she does generally more damage than my sword and board guys, with equal equipment (Tier 5 swords and shields, vs tier 5 spear)

[Atomic]

If you spec for Crit with Finnesse spears can be very strong. But giving you the freedom to do what suits your play style is what matters.

[i_nive]

Sorry, a bit off topic: is a spear bearer historically accurate for the time and place period?
It's good in formations (spear vs spear) but I doubt its usefulness in close combat (small groups) where swords and axes excel.

[Cutlass Jack]

Originally posted by i_nive:

Sorry, a bit off topic: is a spear bearer historically accurate for the time and place period?
It's good in formations (spear vs spear) but I doubt its usefulness in close combat (small groups) where swords and axes excel.

A quick google of 'viking spears' returned the information that spears were the most commonly used weapon in the viking age.

[numsei]

that first chick from your village, she is a killing machine in my group.... and i did nothing, just spend some skills in spear and found a better one in the forest area, sometimes she just need one hit to kill people

[i_nive]

Like peasant uprisings? It's probably one of the most affordable type of weapons, yes, but how much was it used "professionally"?

[edit: typo]

[Sir Clavius]

Spears were the most versatile weapon from ancient times...And also were used during vikings ages and even in the Renaissance period.

[Cao Cao Mengde]

I love how spears are implemented in game. They provide a tactical versatility that other weapons lack. The only think I'm wondering is why we don't have spear and shield combos, which unless I'm uch mistaken; was the most common weapon combo among Viking warbands?

[WotanAnubis]

Originally posted by Toyotomi Hideyoshi:

I love how spears are implemented in game. They provide a tactical versatility that other weapons lack. The only think I'm wondering is why we don't have spear and shield combos, which unless I'm uch mistaken; was the most common weapon combo among Viking warbands?

I'm not a developer, but I'm guessing balance issues. If spears provided extra reach, extra crit *and* shield protection, why would anyone bother with swords or axes?

[i_nive]

Originally posted by Toyotomi Hideyoshi:

I love how spears are implemented in game. They provide a tactical versatility that other weapons lack. The only think I'm wondering is why we don't have spear and shield combos, which unless I'm uch mistaken; was the most common weapon combo among Viking warbands?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikings#Weapons_and_warfare reads:
"""
... a wealthy Viking had a complete ensemble of a helmet, shield, mail shirt, and sword. However, swords were probably not sturdy enough for fighting and instead were likely decorative. A typical bóndi (freeman) was more likely to fight with a spear and shield, and most also carried a seax as a utility knife and side-arm. Bows were used in the opening stages of land battles and at sea, but they tended to be considered less "honourable" than a melee weapon.
"""

Then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Age_arms_and_armour reads:
"""
The spear was the most common weapon of the Scandinavian peasant class. Throwing spears were constantly used by the warrior class; despite popular belief, it was also the principal weapon of the Viking warrior, an apt fit to their formations and tactics.
"""

So it seems not 2H spears but throwing spears were used by professional soldiers/raiders?

[Bijat]

Spears was used by all military men in all historical battles up until firearms replaced them.

Its hard to understand but when you got a spear and the enemy got a sword you will win if you both are equaly skilled & geared. The only ancient military that did not mainly use spears was the roman military, they did tho have specialiced throwing spear that broke apart after the first throw (to stop throwbacks) and some records of sometimes having a 1h spear, but most records shows they mainly used swords to stab. But when they did fight the greek hoplites they was weaker and only won mainly by the wit of ther comanders and the numbers of ther forces. The hoplite was a similar shield focused military but focused on 1h spears instead of swords.

And to add when firearms was in place in the begining there was still spearmans, simply not as common, mainly used agenst enemy cavilry.

[drake_hound]

Originally posted by Bijat:

Spears was used by all military men in all historical battles up until firearms replaced them.

Its hard to understand but when you got a spear and the enemy got a sword you will win if you both are equaly skilled & geared. The only ancient military that did not mainly use spears was the roman military, they did tho have specialiced throwing spear that broke apart after the first throw (to stop throwbacks) and some records of sometimes having a 1h spear, but most records shows they mainly used swords to stab. But when they did fight the greek hoplites they was weaker and only won mainly by the wit of ther comanders and the numbers of ther forces. The hoplite was a similar shield focused military but focused on 1h spears instead of swords.

And to add when firearms was in place in the begining there was still spearmans, simply not as common, mainly used agenst enemy cavilry.

You have to understand why Firearm replaced all other weapons in modern military.
It is simply cause of the training time required to make them effective killers.

Example training somebody to handle a sword or spear. takes much longer then to teach somebody to point and shoot and be a threat even to elitist firearm users.

Sure you can be a expert marksman. and somebody a totally new firearm user.
But compare that to a expert swords man and a farm hand handling a sword.

The first is that even in total new hands a firearm still remains a deadly threat.
While incase of a sword. the new person handling the sword easily shows that he can´t wield it properly and the first swing can easily be parried blunted or dodged.