Why are people so angry here?

[Gynsu2000]

I can understand you don't like the game (I usually play a couple of weeks before being bored and uninstall it for a year ... rince and repeat).
But if you don't like the game, why spending times to argue against chill? Why using it to enjoy a game you like.

[avadream]

Because we like part of the game, enough to keep playing with enough fun and without coercion.
Other parts of the game are so very obnoxious that we discuss and debate about it.

[Catweazle]

Well, it might be that some players are angry because of one of the most frustrating experiences in online battles.
In Blitz you start to fight against bots, and with some experience you can get a high winrate, rare badges and have a lot of fun. Then, after several hundreds of battles, you play against more human players and some of them are even worse than bots, often afk or highly skiled re-rollers which wipe the floor with your rear-ends.

[carelessjet2]

every game i have ever played at some point hit it's natural end.
so we have players with 40k battles and $4000 worth of tanks and there just bitter about it, the time and money spent get's to people heads and even though there done with the game they feel they invested too much to stop.

then there are the stat driven monkeys that think there numbers are the cure for cancer, they claim the stats are the fun but in reality a happy person would never tell someone to "go uninstall life" or 100 other nasty things people think it's ok to say because i got ammo racked.

best to avoid discussion if your skin is thin, you can give them facts and sources and the will still come at you with bitter rage.

and don't forget if you have noting bad to say about wargamming then your a traitor and a Russian spy.

[Jesus (Yeshua) lives&will return]

People are angry because they hate being played. These games are much worse than just pay 2 win, they lie to you. They are designed to create digital addicts. When a game employs several tactics to not only make you spend as much money as possible, but starts to cheat you with constant ricochets (even though you are in a tank destroyer with high penetration) tanks that vanish into thin air 20 yards in front of you then re-appear to kill you seconds later, bots that will miss EVERY SHOT on purpose, 3 bots vs 1 person, and they wont kill him no matter what, the list goes on and on. All in an effort to make you spend more money and buy your way into a fake sense of skill.

All these people call this out because they know this game is rigged and this is one place to come and vent the truth about it. Games and companies like this should be illegal. If you really knew how bad it was you SHOULD be angry, any rational person would be.

[WiseOdin]

I mean, this is most battles.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/wiseodin/screenshot/2038493820152032061/

You rock it, ride the top of your team over and over when not uptiered. When you are uptiered, you still do better than 1-2 of the higher tier tanks.

Then you lose the game. Because your teams are terrible. Both live players and bots are terrible.


The game could be so much better, which is why we get so frustrated. This is a game that could be so much fun. There could be so much life in it. We see the potential and want to love the game.

However, so many of the mechanics are put in place to frustrate you. "Matchmaking is working as intended." That's Wargaming's answer. Well.. It's frustrating to everybody besides for like three dudes on the forum. Maybe as representatives they get better battle rolls? I look at the teams and think, "Wow, we got wiped. The other team must be feeling pretty good," but I'm never on that other team. My winrate has dropped 10% in a month. And.. It's still falling. The three (paid reps) will tell you to play more, purchase stuff, and get better. Well, I'm on the top of my team. So it's not skill. I'm getting, at the very least, a third class mastery every other game. I've only Aced five tanks. So maybe only if you ace your tanks every fight, are you any good? Only the top 1% win matches? That's a bit counter-intuitive.

As humans, we have the faculty to reason. We think to ourselves, "Why do I lose 80% of my matches lately? I'm doing great. Top of my team. Mastery badges. I'm top 20% of players with this tank!"

Then you wonder, as a free to play player.. Why the other team might be having better luck? Why did their bots do 400 damage instead of 150 like on your team? Why did you see a bot carry that one team to victory? You clicked the name on the after report and confirmed it's a bot. Zero stats. It's not a far leap to start thinking the frustration is built into the game. The Matchmaking automatically builds teams so payers win, and free to play lose. The frustration in the game, the losing when you're outperforming your team over and over is, "working as intended," just like Wargaming stated.

As the Wargaming reps state, Wargaming doesn't have the time to pick and choose matches. Decide who wins and who loses. But.. They do have time to write an algorithm--a computer program, to do so for them. Crap in, crap out. Data, like how much you spend on the game, how long you've spent it, overall monetary input, how many games have you played today, and what your winrate is, overall, where they'd like it to be, and what your day's and last day's fights were like, all get fed into a system. That system build teams based on who needs a win and who needs a loss.

My winrate was at it's highest back in June. Back when I paid for the premium pass to get the extra rewards over the month's operation. My winrate was 67%. I didn't buy the pass in July. Now my winrate is 56%. Did I get worse? Am I playing better players? Did.. Did I fail to pay money so now I'm not as important?


Of course, there's zero evidence for such an algorithm existing. Besides for the secondary evidence. Stuff like masteries and other badges, position in teams, etc. I'm sure the paid reps can go through hundreds of games to find a few where I landed on the bottom. Sometimes you have to look at percentages of occurrences and realize they're trying to sell snake oil. 5% bad performance in games does not lead to a 56% winrate. As we run out of other explanations, we land on the obvious. The game matchmaking is built to determine the maps before you join. You're a puppet. If you have a tendency of winning games that should have been lost, they'll turn enemy bots up and turn yours down. They'll be sure to torch you.


This is why people are so angry here. Because we have faculty for reason, and realize we're nothing more than dollar signs to the developers, and we know we're being taken advantage of.

[EL_Din_46]

Originally posted by WiseOdin:

Originally posted by TheSlenderBeer:

Ah i see, good to know there's some silver lining (yet) to the game- as little of it as there is.

Just an update on this, I've now got to wait 20-30 seconds for the first match of the day. The pregame window shows up with all the tanks and stuff, and then just kinda hangs there uncomfortably long. Only the first game. Every day. By the time it loads the map, the battle has started and, on average, 30 seconds of the battle have gone. Sometimes one of my teambots have already successfully died. Most I've had was 2 bots, though I missed the first 40 seconds of the game do to this glitch.

Restarting might not even be the best option, as the game takes 1-2 minutes to launch. And another minute to click out of the dozen ads they needs to suffocate you with.

So, yeah, the glitch I thought was a one off has come back, with a vengence.

Delays in loading into battles are usually caused by conflicts with antivirus programs or a gpu/graphics card that is rendering the needed images very slowly. There are a couple things you can do to to improve things.

First, exclude Blitz in your antivirus settings so that time is not taken scanning those files. (Steam also recommends this).

Secondly, reduce your overall graphics settings and turn off features such as fog, shadows, camo for all. Experiment with this until you find settings that give you an acceptable result.

You might also compare your system to the the system requirements: https://na.wotblitz.com/en/content/docs/system-requirements/

[EL_Din_46]

Originally posted by Gynsu2000:

...

Wargaming uses bots for training purposes with very new players. They begin playing only against bots but as they play more battles other very new players are added to their battles. After enough battles there no bots. Wargaming's explanation of the tutorial is here: https://discord.com/channels/481445776178806785/502017295107883008/827163445622997024

_____

Contrary to what some say I am not paid by Wargaming or am a moderator. I doubt anyone else here is either.

Some players have insulted people they think are WG staff or moderators. Insulting staff or moderators is a violation of Wargaming's rules. Doing that results in an insta-ban. There's no warning, no discussion just BAM! and the troll is gone. If you want to be kicked out a forum or even have your account deleted that's a good way to do it.

[WiseOdin]

Originally posted by EL_Din_46:

Originally posted by Gynsu2000:

...

Wargaming uses bots for training purposes with very new players. They begin playing only against bots but as they play more battles other very new players are added to their battles. After enough battles there no bots. Wargaming's explanation of the tutorial is here: https://discord.com/channels/481445776178806785/502017295107883008/827163445622997024

_____

Contrary to what some say I am not paid by Wargaming or am a moderator. I doubt anyone else here is either.

Some players have insulted people they think are WG staff or moderators. Insulting staff or moderators is a violation of Wargaming's rules. Doing that results in an insta-ban. There's no warning, no discussion just BAM! and the troll is gone. If you want to be kicked out a forum or even have your account deleted that's a good way to do it.

"I'm not a paid Wargaming rep. However, I have saved on my company computer the predefined/canned answers for most questions."

[avadream]

With 4K battles played, i never get winning streaks of more than 4 battles.
I often get losing streaks of 5 or more battles.

2 out of 3 fast losses are caused by the same 2 annoying reasons:
-My team rushes their keek-a-boo rocks with 5 or more tanks and 2 minutes later they get flanked and butted to their deaths by a dynamic enemy.
-Or we (i) are placed 2 or 3 on a flank and we get wiped by 4 to 7 flankers, resulting in 1 or 2 tanks behind within the first minute.

All these are facts and spoil the fun, but not enough for me personally to stop playing, because i've lotsa fun in half the battles, even when our team is scripted to lose.

[EL_Din_46]

Originally posted by WiseOdin:

"I'm not a paid Wargaming rep. However, I have saved on my company computer the predefined/canned answers for most questions."

Thank you for pointing that out. I try to take a professional approach.

I have spent a ridulous number of hours doing open source research in order to find out things about the company and the game. I have fairly extensive notes on that.

I also keep notes on bug fixes, game mechanics and other questions players may ask about. The notes include stock anwers that I can tailor to the individual question. This makes answering the same question dozens of times easier.

[Jesus (Yeshua) lives&will return]

Originally posted by EL_Din_46:

Originally posted by Gynsu2000:

...

Wargaming uses bots for training purposes with very new players. They begin playing only against bots but as they play more battles other very new players are added to their battles. After enough battles there no bots. Wargaming's explanation of the tutorial is here: https://discord.com/channels/481445776178806785/502017295107883008/827163445622997024

_____

Contrary to what some say I am not paid by Wargaming or am a moderator. I doubt anyone else here is either.

Some players have insulted people they think are WG staff or moderators. Insulting staff or moderators is a violation of Wargaming's rules. Doing that results in an insta-ban. There's no warning, no discussion just BAM! and the troll is gone. If you want to be kicked out a forum or even have your account deleted that's a good way to do it.

this is this guys only recourse, threaten you will be banned for stating something so PAINFULLY obvious. what a sad life some people lead

[klmmotorsports2]

Wargaming runs a gaming scam and you wonder why people are angry.

[EL_Din_46]

Originally posted by Jesus (Yeshua) lives&will return:

this is this guys only recourse, threaten you will be banned for stating something so PAINFULLY obvious. what a sad life some people lead

It can not be a threat when it is proof that I don't have the ability to ban anyone. I'm just another player.

Whether you think something is obvious or the rule is wrong is not relevant. If Steam or Wargaming thinks you have insulted any player, moderator or staff person they can ban you from a forum, or in the most serious cases, ban you from the game.

Anyone with good tactical sense will not insult anyone. Most players here have enough sense to not insult anyone. Some do not.

[Jesus (Yeshua) lives&will return]

Most human beings do not want to make a living lying through there teeth, yet they are out there. Go figure.

[VEWDU]

If the game you loved to play begins to go down the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ drain because of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ company that runs its constant money grab tactics and lack of concern for the areas of the game that matter, then of course we'll be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ angry.