I have decided Tier 10 is the only fair Tier

[[BR1] 》Billynair]

If you are any lower tiers, you have 3/4th a chance to be in an unfair battle either winning or losing, 1/3rd of these are no win situations, regardless of your skill, you are left 7v1 and not many can survive that. Teams stacked with 4 Heavies vs all Lights 2 tiers lower and none of which have played more than a week and the heavies are all 3 year pros.

I love to play the Leopard for the speed and shot forgiveness (if you miss a few shots you get a few more before you reload). Same with the M5 Stewie, for the speed, and the T37 for his 3 shots. I played a room with a Tier 10 tank and my Leopard, he was faster and more adjile than a Leopard. I dont remember the country, I think Russian (turret looked like a British "flat cap")

I was under the impression that Tier 10 was 100% slug fest Heavies until I saw this tank, so I decided to try to get to Tier 10, BUT, what tank is the most fun in 10? (I dont want to waste a bunch of time and money on a "meh" tank.)

So, if you like your Leopard and that play style (run-n-gun) what is your favorite Tier 10 in that style? Can be paper mache as long as it is FAST and has multiple shots or the reload is super quick, 2-4 seconds.

TLDR:
"There are bad players in Tier 10" - There are bad players in ALL ranks, this argument is moot

"Tier 10 is HARD!!" - Yes, but it is fair

"There are pay to win n00bs in Tier 10" - same with ALL OTHER RANKS, this argument is moot

"You need to learn the OTHER ranks BEFORE going to 10" - I agree

"Too many PREMIUM tanks in Tier 10" - Yes, but, at Tier 5 I am in Tier 6 games 70% of the time, same thing

"You need to be a better player if you think low ranks are unfair" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

"Win Rate is the ONLY way to rank tanks and players" - no, Win Rate is irrelevant until they fix the matchmaking. (the difference between a horrible player and a decent player is only a few % different) If you are the best player in the world stacked against a team of decent players (players who know how to play properly) and your team is nothing but skill less SOBs, you are basically 7v1, and those odds favor the 7

"The Devs will NEVER balance Match making so get used to it." - I know they wont, so, I will get to tier 10 where it is more balanced naturally

"you need to play more games before you can comment on the balance of the game" - why?!? I have been playing online games for decades DECADES, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

"People Smerf, n00bs buy into Tier 10, skill less players are all over the place in Tier 10" - same with ALL ranks, this argument is moot

[NADIE]

T10 is a super competitive tier that doesn't forgive any mistake, one single player making mistakes usually is enough to destroy an entire enemy team. (A lot of people make the mistake of playing T10 without having the skill to do it which lets to an automatic defeat)

Every single tank matter in combat and every single player needs to play his own rol perfectly to win.

I recommend atleast getting 3 Tier 9s before even thinking of getting a T10 tank, that way you learn the weakspots of T10 tanks while also playing some top tier games against T8s.

Opprinnelig skrevet av BillyNair:

So, if you like your Leopard and that play style (run-n-gun) what is your favorite Tier 10 in that style? Can be paper mache as long as it is FAST and has multiple shots or the reload is super quick, 2-4 seconds.

I suggest the AMX/ B-C 25T line, full of super good autoloaders with good camo and very fast. Perfect for a hit&run playstyle.

Opprinnelig skrevet av BillyNair:

the reload is super quick, 2-4 seconds.

I'm pretty sure the shortest reload time in T10 is around 5.10 seconds or something like that and is from the T-62A with food and gun rammer








*PD you are using the wrong gun in the T37*

[[BR1] 》Billynair]

Opprinnelig skrevet av xXxNADIExXx:

I recommend atleast getting 3 Tier 9s before even thinking of getting a T10 tank, that way you learn the weakspots of T10 tanks while also playing some top tier games against T8s.


*PD you are using the wrong gun in the T37*

I like the 3 shots on the T37, I switched to it on purpose. Ill take 3 meh shots in a row over a BOOM missed shot. Cant tell you how many kills I got from someone thinking I was reloading only to run into my extra 2 shots they didnt count on.

And, yes, I am going to grind up to Tier 10, BUT, I dont want to grind up the wrong path, get to 10 only to find a bunch of crap tanks I dont like, wishing i would have done another country.

But see, that is why I want to get up to the 10s, so, i dont have to play 75% of my games against all Tier 10s, once you are at 10, you are on top, you dont play 11s. I can do OK if it is a fair fight, I am new to THIS game, not games in general (check my Steam Profile, 16 years, I just am new to this particular game, and yes, I will grind my way, im not skipping, but, playing over stacked games is getting boring)

[[BR1] 》Billynair]

Opprinnelig skrevet av xXxNADIExXx:

I suggest the AMX/ B-C 25T line, full of super good autoloaders with good camo and very fast. Perfect for a hit&run playstyle.

Those 3 shots look nice, but, they themselves have 3 seconds in between. I dont mind the 15 second mag load, but, the 3 seconds per shot, I might look for a single shot with faster reload, but that speed looks nice.


Is it "fun"?


Maybe another option is longer reload with SUPER high damage, as long as the speed and power-to-weight is there. (if longer reload, then short aim is a must)

[NADIE]

Opprinnelig skrevet av BillyNair:

And, yes, I am going to grind up to Tier 10, BUT, I dont want to grind up the wrong path, get to 10 only to find a bunch of crap tanks I dont like, wishing i would have done another country.

This is exactly why i suggest people to grind 3 lanes, hopefully 3 different countries and tank types, that way you won't get bored while playing.

The grind from T9 to T10 isn't a joke, we are talking about 10-20 hours using the same tank over and over and over and over.

[[BR1] 》Billynair]

hahaha, maybe you talked me into looking for a completely different game. This one is super fun, but the matchmaking is just stupid. Getting tired of either being on a cant lose or cant win team. I dont mind a fun loss, but even games are almost non existent. Taking my Lepo and wrecking n00bs only to be put into a game against 4 ARL44s the next, bleh... so boring

Opprinnelig skrevet av xXxNADIExXx:

The grind from T9 to T10 isn't a joke, we are talking about 10-20 hours using the same tank over and over and over and over.

I dont mind the same tank over and over if it is fun, and 10-20 hours?!? only hours? cool, sign me up G!!

I am pushing 500 games with my Lepo alone, id be there but I am grinding my T37 now, those 2 alone I am up 525 games, because, they are fun, and, I am pushing for a T71. BUT, if I will not have fun with the T10 USAs, I dont want to waste my time grinding for a T71 if the USA tanks are dumb

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Opprinnelig skrevet av xXxNADIExXx:

T10 is a super competitive tier that doesn't forgive any mistake, one single player making mistakes usually is enough to destroy an entire enemy team. (A lot of people make the mistake of playing T10 without having the skill to do it which lets to an automatic defeat)

I said "Fair", not "Easy" I am fine getting wrecked if it is a semi fair game. If I dont have to deal with Tier 11 tanks, I am cool with it.

[NADIE]

Opprinnelig skrevet av BillyNair:

I dont mind the same tank over and over if it is fun, and 10-20 hours?!? only hours? cool, sign me up G!!

I am pushing 500 games with my Lepo alone, id be there but I am grinding my T37 now, those 2 alone I am up 525 games, because, they are fun, and, I am pushing for a T71. BUT, if I will not have fun with the T10 USAs, I dont want to waste my time grinding for a T71 if the USA tanks are dumb

Yeah, but the Leopard is one of the most overpowered T5s tanks and the T37 is one of the most strongests lights in T6 (acually my first Unicum tank)]

T5 is pretty much a tutorial to actual world of tanks blitz
T6 is the easiest tier in the entire game

In T7 the game become more punishing, since a lot more people know how to use High explosive ammo, there is a lot of bottom tier games thanks to T8 mania (i'll explain in a sec) and a lot more of map knowledge, tank knowledge and game knowledge. (Flanking is crucial, tank's rols are way more important, spotting and camo are way more usefull and efective, overpowered tanks, etc)

T8 is being spammed by premium tanks, which isn't a problem regarding if they are broken or not BUT they are fully upgraded and starting your first Stock T8 is an absolute nightmare, with your 75% crew you aren't going to spot anything (being basically blind against experienced players and fully upgraded tanks), your DPM is going to be awfull, dispersion to the roof, slow moving tanks, etc

Also, i see you like autoloaders a lot.

Rn in steam you can buy the most overpowered T6 autoloader for around 5 or 10 dollars, the premium Stridsvagn 74A2, 480 damage in only 3 seconds every 11 seconds.

Also the bundle of the tank have some days of premium, some credits, 400 boosters, 10 certificates for an exclusive camouflage of steam and an exclusive avatar of steam.

[NADIE]

Opprinnelig skrevet av xXxNADIExXx:

Also, i see you like autoloaders a lot.

Rn in steam you can buy the most overpowered T6 autoloader for around 5 or 10 dollars, the premium Stridsvagn 74A2, 480 damage in only 3 seconds every 11 seconds.

Also the bundle of the tank have some days of premium, some credits, 400 boosters, 10 certificates for an exclusive camouflage of steam and an exclusive avatar of steam.

This is the OP autoloader
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1072562/Mega_Pack/

And this is 3 days of premium for free
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1072560/Free_Pack/

[CamelHey]

look ima be honest, if you consider low tiers "unfair" i suggest you improve your own stats, then re-evaluate.

as for the tier 10 you want, go for the Leopard 1, or the BC 25t if you can be bothered waiting for the 14 second magazine reload

[[BR1] 》Billynair]

Opprinnelig skrevet av CamelHey:

look ima be honest, if you consider low tiers "unfair" i suggest you improve your own stats, then re-evaluate.

as for the tier 10 you want, go for the Leopard 1, or the BC 25t if you can be bothered waiting for the 14 second magazine reload

This is what I mean about imbalance, number of games per team:


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This second game was ridiculous!!
But not the worst. I have that somewhere if you want me to look for it, 3 members had over 100k games, none of us had over 2000, and 5 were under 1000. How are you going to compete when your team all combined is half the experience of their single worst player? It has nothing to do with winning or losing, because it is just as boring when I am placed on an over stacked team and we kick the snot out of n00bs. At least in Tier 10 you are all Tier 10, dont have to worry if you are going up against any 11s. And if you make it to tier 10 with less than 2000 games, that is on you, so, no sympathy.

Not much about personal skill when you are pitted 36:1 in game experience between the teams. (yes, there are the exceptions, smerfs, sandbaggers, etc. but spread out over the majority of players and games, these fade into such an inconsequential factor it is ludicrous to mention them... so dont...



As for the 10s, Yeah, I was looking at the Leopard 1, Wondering if it is as fun as the Tier 5 version. That BC 25t got me thinking. The road to it looks decent.

[[BR1] 》Billynair]

Opprinnelig skrevet av xXxNADIExXx:

This is the OP autoloader
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1072562/Mega_Pack/

oh dang! I played with one of these yesterday, I was like, WTF is that?!?! Yeah, me and him wrekt their left flank, 2 v 4, then went to help the other side. Well, mostly him, I was more there as a decoy as he picked people off left and right. What country is that for?

[Silentios73]

Opprinnelig skrevet av BillyNair:

If you are any lower tiers, you have 3/4th a chance to be in an unfair battle either winning or losing, 1/3rd of these are no win situations, regardless of your skill, you are left 7v1 and not many can survive that. Teams stacked with 4 Heavies vs all Lights 2 tiers lower and none of which have played more than a week and the heavies are all 3 year pros.

I love to play the Leopard for the speed and shot forgiveness (if you miss a few shots you get a few more before you reload). Same with the M5 Stewie, for the speed, and the T37 for his 3 shots. I played a room with a Tier 10 tank and my Leopard, he was faster and more adjile than a Leopard. I dont remember the country, I think Russian (turret looked like a British "flat cap")

I was under the impression that Tier 10 was 100% slug fest Heavies until I saw this tank, so I decided to try to get to Tier 10, BUT, what tank is the most fun in 10? (I dont want to waste a bunch of time and money on a "meh" tank.)

So, if you like your Leopard and that play style (run-n-gun) what is your favorite Tier 10 in that style? Can be paper mache as long as it is FAST and has multiple shots or the reload is super quick, 2-4 seconds.

Too bad i have to disagree with you.
tier 8-10 is where many noobs are playing that's why you might find it the best tier to play it.

I found that the best players are mostly in tier 5-7. Tier 8-10 are just filled too many "bad" players that don't even know that they are living on the back side of their bodies.

Since they changed the lower tiers the upper tiers have been so bad that i really don't want to touch them, unless i am in platoon.

Tiers 5-7 is where you really start learning skills and tank operations (this used to be tier 3-5)

So my opinion is that WoTB should bring back the old tech tree, so that new players can actually learn playing the game.

Just my two bits.

[NADIE]

Opprinnelig skrevet av BillyNair:

Opprinnelig skrevet av xXxNADIExXx:

This is the OP autoloader
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1072562/Mega_Pack/

oh dang! I played with one of these yesterday, I was like, WTF is that?!?! Yeah, me and him wrekt their left flank, 2 v 4, then went to help the other side. Well, mostly him, I was more there as a decoy as he picked people off left and right. What country is that for?

Sweden / Hybrid nation

Here's the stats:
https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/strv-74a2

[Blegh]

Opprinnelig skrevet av BillyNair:

Opprinnelig skrevet av CamelHey:

look ima be honest, if you consider low tiers "unfair" i suggest you improve your own stats, then re-evaluate.

as for the tier 10 you want, go for the Leopard 1, or the BC 25t if you can be bothered waiting for the 14 second magazine reload

This is what I mean about imbalance, number of games per team:


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4/28/20 - 8.04 pm
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This second game was ridiculous!!
But not the worst. I have that somewhere if you want me to look for it, 3 members had over 100k games, none of us had over 2000, and 5 were under 1000. How are you going to compete when your team all combined is half the experience of their single worst player? It has nothing to do with winning or losing, because it is just as boring when I am placed on an over stacked team and we kick the snot out of n00bs. At least in Tier 10 you are all Tier 10, dont have to worry if you are going up against any 11s. And if you make it to tier 10 with less than 2000 games, that is on you, so, no sympathy.

Not much about personal skill when you are pitted 36:1 in game experience between the teams. (yes, there are the exceptions, smerfs, sandbaggers, etc. but spread out over the majority of players and games, these fade into such an inconsequential factor it is ludicrous to mention them... so dont...



As for the 10s, Yeah, I was looking at the Leopard 1, Wondering if it is as fun as the Tier 5 version. That BC 25t got me thinking. The road to it looks decent.

The player with the most battles IN THE GAME at 180k has a worse WR than me, and I have 50 less than 7k. I don't consider myself a pro, but I do consider myself a decent player. My WR is 49.20%, and rising. My 30 day WR is 53%, so in a a few thousand battles i'll be at 50%. The problem is noobs who pay money for Free XP, credits, and premium to grind faster to get to new tanks. In the process they don't spend much time with the tank line to learn the tank. When they get to tier 5-7 they meet good players and get wrecked.

[[BR1] 》Billynair]

Opprinnelig skrevet av bwcamp:

Opprinnelig skrevet av BillyNair:

(yes, there are the exceptions, smerfs, sandbaggers, etc. but spread out over the majority of players and games, these fade into such an inconsequential factor it is ludicrous to mention them... so dont....

The player with the most battles IN THE GAME at 180k has a worse WR than me, and I have 50 less than 7k. .

I already responded to you before you posted

[[BR1] 》Billynair]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Silentios73:

Too bad i have to disagree with you.
tier 8-10 is where many noobs are playing that's why you might find it the best tier to play it.

I found that the best players are mostly in tier 5-7. Tier 8-10 are just filled too many "bad" players that don't even know that they are living on the back side of their bodies.

I said fair, not good players, not easy games, not less frustrating, but fair. You are never pitted against someone in Tier 11, anyone who is in there SHOULD be there (whether or not they deserve to be there is a different story, the fact that all the other tanks are the same tier is "Fair")

stupid players are evenly distributed in all tiers, so, that argument is removed. Other tiers, especially 3-5 is jam PACKED with sandbaggers coming down to wrek n00bs. I dont disagree that 3-5 is fun, and why not let 100k+ players come down?!? I have NO PROBLEM with this, but, they stack the teams on one side or the other, You are constantly up against players 30-100 times more experienced than your team. At least in tier 10 when you are up against a player with 100k+ you know he is there because he should be, YOU came into HIS house. But, drop from 10 to 3 to wrek n00bs, and he is playing unethical, and will be until they balance the game more around experience, 3 players on one side over 100k should be matched with 3 over 100k on the other, but as it is, you will see 5 players over 50k on one side and the other side has NO ONE over 5k.

As to stupid players, this is irreverent, they are evenly in all tiers, it is a moot point.