Collector tanks are forgotten on tier 3

[РОКИ]

Most of them have crap DPM, while others get balanced from time to time (major balance changes in 6.0, last time in 6.2, when M3 Stuart finally ceased to be so OP). Only exception is Pz III A, which was buffed right before birthday event. TDs seem to suffer the most, as TD with highest DPM is Valentine AT, on 16th(!) place among all tier 34 3 tanks (according to Blitzhangar). That doesn't seem right.

P.S. Maybe it's time to finally nerf Ke-Ni Otsu, even a bit? There are two kinds of players in this one - normal players who demolish other ones using its broken 2k DPM, and guys who yolo right into enemy team thinking they are gods of battlefield and die in the first minute.

[CamelHey]

the only way we should deal with the Ke-Ni Otsu is to pray you never encounter one on the other team

[Agustín Ariel]

yep, devs don't even play the game so it is a waste of time time trying to fix low tiers from our "just a player" status

[EL_Din_46]

Originally posted by Agustín Ariel:

yep, devs don't even play the game so it is a waste of time time trying to fix low tiers from our "just a player" status

I’m not so sure. Recently I discovered that a couple of players I had been chatting with in another forum were moderators in discord or for other games or servers, but not in that forum. When people leave work and have fun they don’t always say what they do for a living. That could be like waving a red flag in front of all the trolls and would spoil their fun.

That got me curious and I looked up what was required to work for WG. Some jobs required thousands of hours in the game, others required a passion for games in general and others, such as finance, do not require any gaming at all. (See for yourself https://wargaming.com/en/careers/). I live near Silicon Valley and have had neighbors who were game developers or engineers. Some rarely played games and others couldn’t stop. You just never know until they say something.

[РОКИ]

Update:
In 6.4 few tanks finally will get a magic touch of WG :) It's a good start, i expect more tanks to be balanced soon, hopefully.
https://wotblitz.eu/en/news/updates/6-4-update/

[EL_Din_46]

Originally posted by РОКИ:

Update:
In 6.4 few tanks finally will get a magic touch of WG :) It's a good start, i expect more tanks to be balanced soon, hopefully.
https://wotblitz.eu/en/news/updates/6-4-update/

That looks good. I like the buffs to the T1 Heavy and VK 30.01 (H). I’m working my way through the American and German mediums to learn those skills but will start some heavies next. I wasn’t looking forward to grinding a third line right away since the KV 1 seems to be a required subject. I don’t do stock grinds and having the tanks I can reach easily be buffed is good.

[EolSunder]

ah the T1 heavy, the strange wierd little heavy tier 5. Shooting it is like having a catapult on your shoulder and trying to hit stuff lol. Great raming tank though.

[EL_Din_46]

Originally posted by EolSunder:

ah the T1 heavy, the strange wierd little heavy tier 5. Shooting it is like having a catapult on your shoulder and trying to hit stuff lol. Great raming tank though.

Good to know. Haven’t done all the specs on heavies yet. Still working improving my medium stats to the average for each tank, and grinding credits/XP. Getting close though. Probably start with the VK 30.01 (H) anyway.

[EolSunder]

yea when you get to the T1 heavy, upgrade the engines asap all the way. fully upgraded its fast for a heavy, and can Ram anything on the field very well. Again, I find the gun very wonky and strange so i always focus on trying to ram stuff first, shooting 2nd lol.

[The Illegal Eagle]

Originally posted by РОКИ:

P.S. Maybe it's time to finally nerf Ke-Ni Otsu, even a bit?

If Wargaming dare nerfing my Ke-Ni Otsu, I - and many others - are going to let them know how the EU protects customers from being deceived.

[РОКИ]

Originally posted by The Illegal Eagle:

Originally posted by РОКИ:

P.S. Maybe it's time to finally nerf Ke-Ni Otsu, even a bit?

If Wargaming dare nerfing my Ke-Ni Otsu, I - and many others - are going to let them know how the EU protects customers from being deceived.

Every game developer that sell in-game goods reserve a right to change them any time, and as they wish. You agreed with that at the moment when you ticked "Agree for License Agreement and Terms of Service" and then clicked "Create account" (or something like that). If ToS and License Agreement are ok with EU law, then you have no power here.

If you really think different, then how they buff/nerf tanks and literally nobody sued them yet?

[EL_Din_46]

Originally posted by РОКИ:

Originally posted by The Illegal Eagle:

If Wargaming dare nerfing my Ke-Ni Otsu, I - and many others - are going to let them know how the EU protects customers from being deceived.

Every game developer that sell in-game goods reserve a right to change them any time, and as they wish. You agreed with that at the moment when you ticked "Agree for License Agreement and Terms of Service" and then clicked "Create account" (or something like that). If ToS and License Agreement are ok with EU law, then you have no power here.

If you really think different, then how they buff/nerf tanks and literally nobody sued them yet?

Complerely agree, but there are limits that WG and other companies should respect. For example, WG automatically credits you with premium time if you were using it when the game went down for maintenance or updates. They don’t have any good choices there, too many jurisdictions have laws about refunds. The governments haven’t signed any agreements and can act if the behavior is bad enough. Buffs and nerfs are part of the game, paying to play premium and not being to play at all would cross the line.

Also, I kind of like buffs, nerfs and other changes. I quit games that get boring, so some amount of change keeps things interesting. As long as they aren’t too frustrating.

[The Illegal Eagle]

Originally posted by РОКИ:

If you really think different, then how they buff/nerf tanks and literally nobody sued them yet?

"Under EU rules, a trader must repair, replace, reduce the price or give you a refund if goods you bought turn out to be faulty or do not look or work as advertised."

~ https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/guarantees-returns/index_en.htm

There is nothing wrong with buffing them. If I were to buy a Škoda, and received an Aston Martin instead, I would not complain about it.
However, if I were to buy an Aston Martin, and I received a Škoda, I would sue them to the moon and back.

[РОКИ]

Originally posted by The Illegal Eagle:

"Under EU rules, a trader must repair, replace, reduce the price or give you a refund if goods you bought turn out to be faulty or do not look or work as advertised."

None of that apply to this case. It would still look and work as advertised, and it wouldn't be faulty.
Also, the link you sent apply to physical goods and some digital goods that are regulated by EU law (music, apps, ebooks, etc.). I didn't find any regulations about in-game goods, sadly.

Originally posted by The Illegal Eagle:

There is nothing wrong with buffing them. If I were to buy a Škoda, and received an Aston Martin instead, I would not complain about it.
However, if I were to buy an Aston Martin, and I received a Škoda, I would sue them to the moon and back.

And in such case you have to contact seller and ask if you recieved Aston by mistake and if they want it back. If yes, you have to give it back, company can't demand on you a payment for something you didn't order. But if you don't give it back, they can sue you and they would win on court for sure.

Here, it was only WGs good will they didn't nerf it immediately when they noticed it has 3 times more DPM then they intended.
Also, it wasn't advertised as such powerful tank - there was a bundle offer saying:
-Japanese Tier III LT Type 98 Ke-Ni Otsu
-1 Garage Slot
-200 gold
-1 day premium
No stats, just few words saying how cool some tank is. Back in 2015 players had to ask players who already bought it to get its stats.
https://ibb.co/mTZGDPX

[Zireth]

I have one thing to say, AMX 40, the pub stomping tank of legends.

[EL_Din_46]

Originally posted by Rachel, The Promised End:

I have one thing to say, AMX 40, the pub stomping tank of legends.

Always good to know. And it’s a tank!