are all the vets so toxic towards new players?

[Thirsty]

never seen such a level of toxicity towards new players in my decade of gaming, imo its one thing to come to low tiers and seaclub noobs but something else to send so many hateful messages.

[EolSunder]

creative? lol what is this, english class? You cant curse or violate tos, so your left with basic insults like moron, noobs, stupid, idiots, useless, etc. If you want to get "creative" and just invent words that don't mean nothing thats fine by me, i'll just use the basics. If you want to "get creative" and call them a useless rainbow tortilla silly person, sure, be my guest, go nuts. I'll stick to worthless moron.

[Greygamer]

Venting is cathartic. Sadly calling a person (or team) "noobs" etc. has zero chance of improving their behaviour in game, it is not constructive.
One time I got constructive criticism about a particular map (Middleberg) which I have followed since and it helped. So it can help if it's constructive and the person recieving it is receptive.

Yeah I know that's a perfect storm.

On a final note had some 58% WR player call his team noobs because they didn't do what he wanted and he got overrun doing next to no damage. It was the team's fault he explained after the battle, didn't respond later when I suggested maybe he was playing his tank (Renault UE 57) wrong. His WR in that tank was not good.
So I didn't offer any more advice, having learned the hard way how to get decent results in that particular vehicle.

[EolSunder]

i give constructive criticism all the time lol. "why are you in a tier 5 tank, you don't even know how to drive or shoot yet. play tiers 2-3 a few thousand battles and learn the basics". 99.99% of the time i get "your momma, you suck, go blank yourself" lol. Again, no use talking to stupid people, they are stupid for a reason.

[Greygamer]

EolSunder eredeti hozzászólása:

i give constructive criticism all the time lol. "why are you in a tier 5 tank, you don't even know how to drive or shoot yet. play tiers 2-3 a few thousand battles and learn the basics". 99.99% of the time i get "your momma, you suck, go blank yourself" lol. Again, no use talking to stupid people, they are stupid for a reason.

This is after you have examined their record I hope

[aReS]

EolSunder eredeti hozzászólása:

if you watch that video from sk8xtrm its a perfect example of insulting stupid players. Now he is better than me, he is polite, talks about how insulting other players does nothing. I agree on all his points mostly, insulting stupid players doesn't change anything, it doesn't make them smart, it doesn't change them being stupid, you don't know who they are and forget about them the next game. All true. But you don't insult bad players to change THEM, you insult bad players to vent and make yourself feel better. Relieves stress.
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While insulting them does nothing, being polite to them does nothing also. They won't change, they are stupid. Again, insulting people is for YOUR benefit, not theirs. Its YOUR way to vent stress, vent anger and fustration over bad teammates, etc. Has nothing to do with making THEM better. They won't get better, they are stupid noobs. Nothing you do will make them better. Nothing you do will make a 60k vet player with 40% win rate and 500 average damage any better. Its 100% for your benefit.

If your a polite person and don't get angry with bad players, good for you. I'm not, i WILL insult bad players, i WILL insult stupid and moron players, and i WILL not ever stop doing it unless they remove that feature from the game preventing me.

Now the thing with that is that's super selfish... you make people who maybe just had a bad day and wanted to chill in a tanking game feel bad so that you feel good..

You give the vets with great win rate, awesome character and that are ready to help the reputation of snappy bulldogs like a certain Unkindest featuring "noobs" every 5 mins..

These noobs learn mostly that
tanking = insults

when in fact I made great friends in this game and met skilled and friendly peops (I'd shout out to my clan lead but he's not on steam )..

[EolSunder]

i made friends also, the ones who CAN take bad criticism and don't instantly start calling you names when you tell them they played bad. Most of the people on my friends list are those i insulted when they played horrible, and they said "yep i did" and we talked after. Again, most stupid players just get mad when they are called names and cry and start the insults, good players don't. If i play bad, i don't get mad at someone saying I played bad. If there was a reason i say what the reason was (i didnt do much damage because i was on the other side of the map, or i was watching your backs because none of you were, etc).

I don't have a problem with people "chilling" in a tank game. Again, there is a difference between good players and bad players. Plenty of good players chill in the game. I do, i like to jump on for a hour when i have time, use up a 1 hour premium certificate, and have some fun. You can "chill" in the game and still be a decent player. Or, you can "chill" in the game and do nothing. Again, if you want to do nothing, go chill somewhere else and don't annoy your teammates.

Noobs learn mostly that ... playing bad = insults. Doing nothing = insults. Plenty of players "tank" and do well in the game. Tanking has nothing to do with good or bad playing, its a tank game, everyone tanks. Sadly most "tank" badly.

[76561198393250310]

i play on high tiers and oh boy,toxic players are kinda rare cuz everyone cooperates,I had one game where I was scouting using my t49 and i spotted the entire enemy team,my allies thanked me afterwards and my military honor went to 4 stars.I also am a toxic player,but to see battles at peace,it kinda makes me shed a tear cuz no one got mad.

[EndersTitan]

Yeah, most are nice, until someone decides to park right behind a person/ push them into fire line/ rush yolo/ dont take the time to learn their tanks/ use stock tanks/ by a tier 8 when they only have a tier 1 or 2/ complain when they are given advice/ cry when they die (usually yolo).... see where this is going... it goes on and on.... and 99% of those who downvote don't have a clue what its about...

[EolSunder]

just part of the game my friend. Sure if your nice and don't insult people good for you, but i can't stand stupid people. I actually have a brain, and to see people with no brains do stuff especially when they are on my team, really really irritates me. I don't care who they are, how old they are, what country they are from, if they play bad, they get insulted. Basic duty of any good player in the game. Report the TOS violators, and insult the bad players. Doing nothing will never change anything. Your duty as a good player is to insult every bad player you see, and hopefully even if ONE of them runs from the game in shame never to come back and annoy other players, your job is done. If your really good at it, you can force multiple stupid people out of the game never to return.

THink about it. If there is a bad player, and every time he plays, every game he is in that he does nothing, he is insulted by his teammates, how much do you think he will enjoy the game. Exactly.

[Eli]

EndersTitan eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah, most are nice, until someone decides to park right behind a person/ push them into fire line/ rush yolo/ dont take the time to learn their tanks/ use stock tanks/ by a tier 8 when they only have a tier 1 or 2/ complain when they are given advice/ cry when they die (usually yolo).... see where this is going... it goes on and on.... and 99% of those who downvote don't have a clue what its about...

I got down voted for covering/pushing an open flank. Pulled around, shrekt the team from behind, left the game with 2k damage. Mind you I was using a Hetzer

[Der Presenz]

Many are, mostly the solo players. Veteran team players may help you if they aren't helping someone else.

[ericmopar]

No we aren't all like that.
In fact some of us at the official WoTBlitz forum on Wargaming's website are openly critisizing and saying something about the online nastiness and stat snobery these days.

Some people forget that they too were once noobs, or that they aren't as good as they think they are.

[Kvasnikov]

ericmopar eredeti hozzászólása:

Some people forget that they too were once noobs, or that they aren't as good as they think they are.

I'm permanent noob :]

[Agustín Ariel]

Yes, they are toxic, but do not hear them because most of them suck. Every time I do what a veteran says we lose.

[EolSunder]

The trouble is you can't tell the vets in a battle in blitz. You don't know who is bad, or who is good. So unless you actually know the person, or you are familiar with the clan if its a very good popular clan of vet players, then you don't know if its a vet player telling you to do something or some 300 battle noobs in a tier 7 tank.

You learn the game and the maps by experience, you should know allready where to go on the maps, which direction. If you are new player you won't, but if you are a good player you know what and what not to do.

Plus many players don't speak english, so someone saying to "go hill" or "go right" is just speaking gibberish to such players. Most don't listen anyway if they are noobs. I think in regular WOT there were mods and such that would show your teammates and their skill status.

If you actually learn, you'll know when to take hills (if your team is faster), when to go right or left (usually you go where the most tanks are, or the higher tier tanks are). Most teams fail when they don't go the same way. 4 tanks running into 7 tanks aren't going to last long. Many teams drive off and leave slower heavier tanks behind. Many teams go the wrong way and run into heavier resistance. Its all part of learning the game.

You might have a team more of light tanks which aren't smart and they drive the wrong way into the enemy team which might have heavier tanks waiting for them. Like if your a fast team and they are a heavy team, if you go left you'll hit their heavy units because thats where they spawn, but your team of noobs light tanks go left, right into the gunfire instead of flanking right and taking out the enemy team faster tanks.