Camouflage Confusion

[xNeariax]

Not quite sure if it's a bug or more of an oversight, but white fur (at least in my game, latest version) doesn't seem to give any camouflage bonus in snowy biomes anymore? Can someone confirm - or disagree on - that?

Red Brown fur however does. It might be because it's considered "mountains", but it doesn't seem to make much sense from a visual point of view (plus white fur definitely gave the bonus in earlier versions), hence my confusion.

Speaking of which.. note to our dear Dev: the fur colors also "lack" the information about which color gives the bonus in which terrain. Patterns do give this information (Description for stripes for examples tells you it helps when hiding in high grass, dots in jungle biome). I'm not sure if that's intended, but more consistency there might be nice and also helpful to newer players coming in now the game has launched. :)

[ShufflePlay]

Oh man, I am just breeding in White fur at the Grass/Snow island. D:

[Jojo]

That would be bad, can you test if it gives different bonuses when it snows? On a lot of the earlier mountains it doesn't snow anymore so that might be the reason why brown fur is better than white

[xNeariax]

Well, I can only speak for myself obviously, but I did try just that (waiting til it was snowing - heavily even) because I came to that conclusion as well. That maybe white fur was only intended to give a bonus in heavy snow or something.. So I mutatet red brown/red brown fur (so in both fur slots) into one line of cubs and white/white into another one and even in heavy snow only the red brown ones got the color camou bonus.

What DOES work however (and this seems to be the case with moss brown on grass as well) is having red brown in the "second" fur slot and white "over" it in the first.. than you still get the bonus. You also get both grassland and mountain camou if you - for example - breed a cub with moss brown in one and red brown in the other fur spot, enabling it to move freely everywhere on the "easy" snow island without losing ever losing the bonus.

But yeah.. white off itself doesn't seem to give any camou what so ever.

[Jojo]

Thanks for the clarification, that then sounds like a bug

[xNeariax]

Okay, good to know, thanks. I'll put it in the bug reports later tonight then. :)

[ShufflePlay]

Checked in with my mountain tribe; white fur creature got +2 camo in grass, so it should be more in the mountains? I'll check if I can find some consistency when the camo appears. I don't think I ever get camo over +2 and no camo in mountain tiles/snow tiles.

+2 in grass; https://i.imgur.com/ml0BgKf.png

[Jojo]

Originally posted by ShufflePlay:

Checked in with my mountain tribe; white fur creature got just +2 camo in grass, so no camo bonus? I'll check if I can find some consistency when the camo appears. I don't think I ever get camo over +2 and there's no camo at all on the mountain tiles/snow tiles (no matter what fur colour). I'll check the red/brown creatures again.

+2 camo for white creature in tall grass; https://i.imgur.com/ml0BgKf.png

But that's just the normal grass camo and has nothing to do with the fur colour

[ShufflePlay]

Originally posted by Jojo:

Originally posted by ShufflePlay:

Checked in with my mountain tribe; white fur creature got just +2 camo in grass, so no camo bonus? I'll check if I can find some consistency when the camo appears. I don't think I ever get camo over +2 and there's no camo at all on the mountain tiles/snow tiles (no matter what fur colour). I'll check the red/brown creatures again.

+2 camo for white creature in tall grass; https://i.imgur.com/ml0BgKf.png

But that's just the normal grass camo and has nothing to do with the fur colour

Yes it's just +2 for hiding but should that get camo bonus points in the Mountains? Where did the white fur give bonus points earlier? I have no remembrance for camo in Mountains in earlier builds. :D

[Jojo]

Originally posted by ShufflePlay:

Originally posted by Jojo:

But that's just the normal grass camo and has nothing to do with the fur colour

Yes it's just +2 for hiding but should that get camo bonus points in the Mountains? Where did the white fur give bonus points earlier? I have no remembrance for camo in Mountains in earlier builds. :D

With white fur bonus it should be +4 I think, in earlier versions you had white fur bonus even without snow and I think also in the grass. You get grass camo bonus always

[xNeariax]

It's not going to be +4 because you can't have +2 hiding (from high grass) and +2 color from mountain/snow at the same time, as there is no high grass to hide in on snow tiles. And as for as I'm aware high snow (heavy snowfall, whatever) doesn't give +2 hiding at all.

+4/5 happens when you have a) +2 hiding because in high grass COMBINED with +2 moss brown fur OR +3 pattern, namely stripes (both brings you up to +7 even)

And there's an equivalent of that with fur color + dots + high grass in the jungle biome. Also fur color + high grass in savannah stacks as well. In snow, since snow itself doesn't give hiding and there's no "helpful pattern" currently, it's only ever gonna be +2.

HOWEVER.. it should be +2 COLOR (not hiding) on snow tiles for WHITE fur creatures. That doesn't happen though. You get the +2 color for red brown fur (on snow tiles) instead. ^^