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First of all, the murderer Ryouta was already convicted by the police at that time, so it could not be him (if him is not in spoilers it would make it obvious to ones who did not play through the game that the murderer is a "he". Second, Yama did not have a lapse when he was about to visit her (Rui) (after you pick someone to hang out with of course) so Yama couldn't have done it.
It also makes no sense to think about Masato, Yahiko and the others about this fact, as they were good friends throughout the whole story (And seriously, Yahiko tried to stop Shouji from commiting suicide and he tried to help Hara too, so he's out of the question and he was a good guy all along).
So, what/who caused the result at the end? Rui commited suicide for some reason? If so, why did she take her parents as well? Her parents would not do it either I guess. I'd really want to know about what do you guys think.
The most believable theory about "who did it" that I came up with was that Rui and her family was killed by whoever was the "third party" that worked with Ryouta. Remember that Ryouta mentioned in his phone conversation with Yama that Rui was "in the safe hands of a third party". Therefore, it can be deduced that Rui knew something about who was working with Ryouta (or rather, who Ryouta was working for). So, after Ryouta got caught, it would be reasonable to believe that this "third party" wanted to eliminate Rui as soon as possible because she knew too much. However, after the incident at the Academy, Rui was taken straight to the hospital along with Yama (and possibly the other two unnamed students) where it was implied that she spent the following three months locked up with Yama. During those three months, said "third party" could not do anything to Rui, but Rui could not reveal anything she knew about them to anyone either because she was busy recovering and helping Yama recover. As soon as she was out of the hospital, however, they saw their chance and immediately acted on it.
That's my theory on "who did it". What do you guys think?
Yeah, this really does sound plausible, why didn't I think of it? Also, tbh Rui should have just told Yama or her friends about the third party and then there would have been someone to protect her/them (her parents). I am now almost 100% sure the murderers of Rui are really whoever belong in the third party Ryouta mentioned and they will be most likely revealed in Act 2. Also, remember that Rui and her parents were found with bullet holes in their heads and of course you'd expect murderers to carry their jobs out with guns (blazin') so it's quite impossible for Ruito do it (I don't think such a lighthearted girl would do it, or even carry a gun for that matter).
Damn. Act 2 without Rui. :( I also hope Airi will return.
On a side note, upon seeing "You're a murderer" and "you can choose to fight this outcome" in the summary on the store page I thought we were going to be the main antagonist and we could select someone to kill. Can't imagine how much time programming this would have taken though neither where the plot would have been going with this method.
I almost forgot : Ryouta was working FOR, not WITH the third party? Honestly I did not find anything to prove this but it's insignificant, at least we now know who to kill in Act 2 if we get a chance for a payback, you know what I mean ;)
-Everytime you get a bad ending, yes I know it's bad end for a reason but still Yama ends up killing everyone, even Rui if present if you attack Ryouta, stall too much or do not stall enough. I'd like to know the reason why. I mean I understand Yama killing Ryouta, I would do the same thing but Rui? I do not dig it.
-The game itself is amazing however there are quite a bit of choices but for the most part they are inconsequential (sorry for wrong spelling) or they do not change much comprared to other endings (Do not answer the phone at the end more or less is the same as accepting the terms from the outset. Choosing a heroine to hang out with before visiting Rui is quite a minor choice as well. Rejecting once/twice also has a minor effect only AFAIK (as far as I know)
-In the case of the Shigure deduction, the puzzles she gives you and the murderer deduction (Just once etc..., if you are viewing the spoilers you know what I am talking about :) ), nothing bad happens if you pick the wrong choices, expect that you do not get the achievements. Same case with the history test near mid-game, I did not fail all the questions but a scene with the teacher where he/she is angry would have been great (if such a scene does exist then I am sorry).
That is all, please share your thoughts on these.
About what left you baffled:
- Knowing how much the memory of the events from the death of his sister had affect him, I can think that bringing it up so much with "Ryouta's game" was too much for him, making him going nearly crazy. From what Yama says himself in this bad ends, he kills Rui because she doesn't deserve to suffer all this, while he kills the students because they annoy him or to end the girl sufferings depending on the end. I don't know how the mind of someone insane could work, so i just say that the crazy him, in rage against everyone and everything, just wanted to kill everyone implied with the killings, while his mind found a way to justify it, as a twisted compassion in Rui's case. Sorry for the wall of text, also sorry if it's not that clear, it's quite hard for me to put that from my mind in written english while trying to be understandable.
- Except that you need to refuse his terms two times to get the good end, yes, not much changes in getting the bad ends. About choosing an heroine before visiting Rui, this should lead you to the route of said heroine in the next part of the game, if i got it right.
- Yep, unfortunately nothing changes more than getting or not the achievements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cONmzaT4x10
XD... On a serious note, call me nuts, but I genuinely believe that Lemniscate had hired PMC troops in order to gun down poor Rui & her family, A.K.A., carrying out domestic terrorism in order to send a message to Yama & friends stating not to mess with them, as they will truly f**k anyone's day(& life) silly.
It explains why their house appeared as ransacked as it did, a barage of bullets likely damaged everything beyond repair. It's a miracle how the stove(which was still on) didn't explode in a hail of bullets.
The Feds, other authorities, & the media: Paid off by Lemniscate to slow walk the response to the obvious commotion of such an event, which inevitably someone will hear & call 911, & also to control the message, all the while not being aware of the facts mentioned, a theme implied heavily through the game.
& about Ryouta, It's stated that he's an "executioner" for hire, but for who? He's murdered thrice before, & his more recent targets are mostly Yahiko's friends. Could he be trying to wipe out any influence to Yahiko that is deemed negative (presumably under the orders of Lemniscate, as Yahiko's parents are high ranking executives there)?
The worse the influence, the higher priority, & the higher priority, the higher they are on the hitlist. That's why the happy club members besides Yahiko were all targeted first, because their influence on him & vice versa would do greater damage to the company than Yama, Rui & Masato would, at least in their eyes, & this was the only way they knew how, with corporate sleaze and corruption, which is how Ryouta got hired; no, INSTALLED into the position of the academy's guidance counselor.
Christ, if this theory is accurate, it'll explain why Natsuki warned him NOT to investigate the murders, because he'll inevitably paint an even bigger target on both him & his friends' heads, Rui's death only being the last warning shot before they have a bloody civil war on their hands, a war they cannot win. All odds are against Yama & friends, them vs an Umbrella/Armacham calibur corporation. This is amazing use of dystopia for the sake of social commentary if my theory turns out to be accurate.[spoiler/]
Thoughts. Do you think my claims have any credence &/or credibility or am I just a crazy conspiracy nut on fictitious material. Why or why not? Be sure to explain thoroughly & honestly. ;)
Joke aside, your theory about Lemniscate behind everything does have some merit. The only part in your theory that I find complete bogus is the "PMC (the hell does that stand for anyway?) troops gunning down Rui's family in an act of domestic terrorism". First of all, if your theory is correct, then the first thing Yama would've seen when he arrived at Rui's house is a huge crowd of people gathering around the Hayata residence. Two, each and every single member of the Hayata family suffered only one single fatal bullet wound, which further invalidates your theory. And finally, if there was indeed a "hail of bullet" as you described, then the house would've suffered external damage that Yama would surely have noticed as soon as he arrived.
Nope. This was most likely the work of one man. A professional killer.
Just so you know, PMC means Private military company/contractor or something like this. Also, you are correct, they all had only one bullet wound and most other things were fine. Also the police wasn't at the house to investigate the murder of an entire family, yet they checked a disappearance at the forest? This further proves it was someone doing the dirty work undercover or someone "broke in" to do it. However we already debunked earlier that a "third party" worked with Ryouta (or rather Ryouta for them) and it's likely that the third party killed Rui's family for revenge (Ryouta's incarceration), and because Rui knew all about them (they held her hostage, if her statements were on the news they would be pretty much screwed). At least this is the theory that we stated a few posts earlier.
-It stands for Private Military Company, btw.
-Second, if the perp was actually an Agent 47 calibur hitman as you described, they would have tried to make the crime scene much cleaner than the ransacked mess it ended up being when Yama got there(& they certainly would have tried to cover it up as a suicide afterwards).
-Third, maybe I exagerated when I said a hail of bullets. More than likely they had their Assault Rifles or SMGs on Semi-Auto or Burst fire mode in order to allow for more accurate(& I mean considerably more accurate), but efficient shots, which explains the lack of external damage & also the single gunshot wounds on each of the victims heads. Whoever was there must have swooped in, done the deed, & swooped out in a flash without a care of what gets damaged or ransacked in the process, which is more in line with military-esque tactics tbh. But maybe i've been playing too much Underhell or F.E.A.R. :P
-Finally, addressing the point about Yama walking into a crowd surrounding the Hayata estate, maybe upon seeing the estate, he was lapsing abnormally without him or the audience knowing, which could be an explanation on why he does not see, hear, or feel a crowd surrounding the house.
Both Rui and her father were only shot once in the head. Her mother was shot only once to the chest. And that's the biggest issue with your theory. If they were PMC troops, then all victims would've suffered multiple gunshot wounds to the chest. Millitary personnel are always trained to shot their target multiple times in the chest first to quickly stop the target. We can all see very clearly that there's no bullet wound on Rui's torso. And as Yama described, her mother only suffered a single bullet wound to the chest.
Seriously...? You do realise just how utterly ridiculous that sound, right?
Hmm.. Probably I missed something there then, because for me all bad endings I got so far either end with Rui attacking Ryouta,sacrificing herself to gain an advantage for me, either Ryouta killing us both if I refuse only once or Yama going psycho and killing everyone remaining (and putting Rui to sleep,you know what I mean).
Also, you guys keep bringing up some Leminiscate or something like this. Did I miss another story part yet again or was I only keeping attention at the bigger picture? If they are the company that made WEED and the expos at the amusement park then I know who they are but if not then I am in need for a description cause I am in the dark if this is not the case.
With the last post by WretchedChild, probably Yama did not have a lapse but instead he was so focused on seeing Rui again that he disregarded everything else around him. But it's pretty foolish if there really was a crowd around the house. Let's say the police arrives when Yama is still mourning Rui. The poilce would immediately suspect Yama as the killer no matter what he says (f... the police jokes here),espicially because he was a suspect earlier (before arriving at the conclusion that Ryouta was indeed the killer)
At least this is what I think. Feel free to correct me.
P.S : This isn't related to your quote or this post, but why are PMCs trained to shoot the target in the chest first to stop them? Go for the leg, they will stumble right away, or if the joe they are supposed to kill makes a run for it, go for the headshot. Simple