THE LAST -NARUTO THE MOVIE-

THE LAST -NARUTO THE MOVIE-

Tricks Feb 14, 2016 @ 3:44pm
(Spoilers) Forced romance
So while I was happy that this movie was about Naruto and Hinata finally getting together... yeah, it just feels too phoned in.

Let's face it. While we saw a lot of unrequited love on Hinata's part throughout the series, Naruto never spared even one single solitary thought for Hinata unless she was right in front of him. He never thought about her, not even after the fight with Pain. Literally I was WTFing the entire time after the Pain arc, wondering when Naruto was going to talk to Hinata, or even think of her. Never happened. Until now...?

I can understand why something would only happen between them after the war was over and Naruto matured a bit. But how is it that he was in love with her without ever sparing a single thought for her throughout the series? And even in episodes that focused on Hinata, Naruto didn't treat her any differently than anyone else. Hell even at the very end when they were holding hands, within a short time he tries to claim Sakura is his girlfriend.

While I liked the pairing and because I wanted Hinata to be happy I hoped it would work out... it just turned out really fake for him to be like, "oh yeah I guess I love her okay" in a movie that isn't even at the end of the series... it's after the end of the series! It's just not believable at all, even someone as thick as Naruto would have had some kind of thinking about her before it became true love.

To be honest the way it is, just coming up in the movie, it feels like he just thinks he loves her because he feels bad for her unrequited feelings. There was absolutely no development between them before this movie, beyond being friends at the same level Naruto is friends with everyone else. Like yeah Hinata confessed her feelings and stuff but we never were given any hint that Naruto felt the same way, not even inadvertantly. He just totally ignored her existence unless she was on screen.
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Eneldiar Feb 16, 2016 @ 5:41am 
I can see how it could be perceived as forced, although I can also see how it could be seen as reasonable given Naruto's character. I'll break my thoughts into sections so that it makes more sense and also talk about other things I've heard people say were problematic about the movie

Pre-Movie
I'll preface this by saying I agree that it was sort of haphazard for them to not have Naruto consider Hinata's confession afterwards at all. I understand throughout Shippuuden because right after Pain invaded the village had to be rebuilt, then the whole Sasuke/Five-Summit event occurred, then he had to go training with B before the war. Given this it's understandable that he may have put it on the back-burner, but like you said that doesn't explain the two years between the end of Shippuuden and the movie.

All I can think for justification is perhaps Naruto forgot? After 615 (the last larger moment between them in the manga) he had to deal with his dead father coming back, all these OP enemies and saving his friend at the expense of his arm being blown off. Naruto's fairly forgetful so maybe it's not out of the question, but in general I agree that they should've done something to explain why it didn't come up in the two years since the war. They could've said he was out helping other villages and forming bonds and just recently came back to the village?

Beginning of Movie
Big thing that was a gripe for people here was Hinata's supposed "character regression" because she was all shy and timid again. This thought didn't make too much sense to me because her entire intention during this piece of the movie was to confess - something that would obviously make her shy and timid considering her character. When you flash forward to while their on their mission and the focus isn't on the confession, she seems to be perfectly fine talking to him and retained the progression she gained during the war.

Genjutsu Scene
This is where a lot of people have gripes because suddenly Naruto gets all these feelings for Hinata, but I think it's a bit more broken apart then that. I think this is simply when he realizes that Hinata has cared for him since long before everyone else acknowledged him and has always been supporting him (something he has always cherished). Knowing that someone had loved him regardless of his current standing or whether he was a failure or a hero was probably what made him so protective afterwards, but I don't think he was in love at this point; he probably didn't even know what he was.

Naruto's Confession Scene
Between the Genjutsu scene and this you had a couple of things that happened. First, Naruto and Hinata spent a day together talking and laughing and all that stuff, which may or may not have helped Naruto figure out how he felt.

The next big thing was when Hinata became very distant after seeing Hamura and learning about everything in that crypt. She wanted to be alone and had almost no interaction with Naruto the next day. I think this worried Naruto because he didn't know if he had done something and lost her love - something that he had just learned he'd had for farther back then he can remember. The thought of losing that person scared him and was likely what prompted him to realize that he had feelings back for her. After that he confesses, Hinata gets taken, and he spends the movie getting her back and completing his mission.

Other
On the topic of Naruto "suddenly having feelings for" her I agree that it seems sudden especially when he didn't think about her confession for two years after the war (still kind of dumb) but I will point out that Naruto always takes his emotions and feelings to the EXTREME side:

- Pain: Kills Jiraiya and demolishes village. Simply realizes he may have been a little off and suddenly he is one of Naruto's role models.

- Obito: Caused almost all the things that happened in the series, killed Neji, killed many others. Has one regretful thought and suddenly HE is one of Naruto's BFFs as well.

- Sasuke: This relationship is a little more complex, but you get the idea.

Point being is that when Naruto has an emotional thought like that, he does not take it in moderation ... it's just max-level immediately. So given that, I find it sort of reasonable that once he realized he had some feelings for her, it became a life-lasting love.

tl;dr
The whole "i'm not going to acknowledge your confession for 2 years" thing was bad writing - they should've probably thought about it but that's really my only gripe. Hinata didn't really regress - she was only shy because she was confessing, she was fine the rest of the time during the mission. Naruto realized he had been loved long before people thought he wasn't a failure - cherished that - and when he realized he might've lost it that's when he realized he had feelings. Feelings which grew out of proportions immediately because that's how Naruto seems to work as a character.
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Sneky.exe Feb 18, 2016 @ 1:27am 
^^^^^ Not sure I can say it any better. Even Sakura hated his guts until she matured a bit, but realizing that someone has admired you even when you were probably the worst ninja around, would hit the feels pretty hard.
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Tricks Feb 27, 2016 @ 7:13am 
Originally posted by Surge:
He didn' just 'fall in love' with Hinata, the movie makes it perfectly clear that Naruto recounted all the times she was in the background secretly, and at times openly, crushing on him.

Yes but it never once recounts a time where HE was the one thinking about HER. That is my point! Thus him just suddenly deciding he loves her in the movie makes it feel like it was forced just for the sake of Mishimoto's ships.

It isn't that I didn't want them together. I really, really wanted them together for the entire series. But what pisses me off is that we never got to see any friggin development of their relationship DURING THE SERIES. Not during Naruto, not during Shippuden, NOTHING. We saw two instances where they had potential for development during Shippuden (fighting Pain and fighting Madara) but beyond the scene itself Naruto didn't respond at all to either of them! He never thought about it afterwards! If he really had buried feelings for Hinata then that is so unrealistic that it isn't even funny.

Let's face it, Hinata remained nothing but another side-character who got virtually no screen-time, even in Naruto's thoughts, throughout the entire series. Then once the series was over we were finally given a rushed pairing of them in the movie to make up for the zero relationship development we saw throughout the series itself.

Think about it this way... Naruto's thought process. You can call him an idiot but he is an idiot who thinks a lot about his friends. I'm going to say these are the rough percentages of his thought process during the series:

40% Sasuke
20% His past/childhood
10% Sakura
10% Becoming Hokage
10% Friends/mentors (includes Hinata as a friend)
5% Ramen
5% Hinata specifically

Seriously, Naruto spends as much or more time thinking about ramen as he does about Hinata. And somehow despite how stupid he is, he somehow managed to think about Sasuke constantly throughout the series, and also his relationship with Sakura, and then his friends in general. Yet amongst all this he just couldn't manage to form a thought about Hinata, the girl he loved. Yeah... okay. You just keep making up excuses. I'm calling BS on it.

They didn't hang out together. They didn't talk to each other. Naruto never thought about her and downright willfully ignored Hinata's attempts to get closer to him. Hinata's feelings were completely unrequited up until the last movie.

You can say this is a "senpai noticed me" situation but it just feels like a slap in the face when I spent the entire Naruto and Shippuden series screaming "NOTICE HINATA DAMMIT" and finally now that the series is over we get a hasty "I love you" and everythings supposed to be flowers and rainbows and everyone lives happily forever after.

No, screw that. I know that Naruto was never meant to be about romance but if that's the case maybe it shouldn't have spent so much time on BROLOVE between Naruto and Sasuke. Hell I would have been less surprised if those two had ended up yaoi-ing at the end, it would have made more sense than instant romance with Hinata because ships.
Tricks Feb 29, 2016 @ 2:29pm 
Originally posted by Surge:
As for your BROLOVE, you do know that Mishimoto initially intended to make the Naruto series a gay love story between Naruto and Sasuke right?
But of course the subject is still too taboo and I'm sure he came to the realization that it would be more popular and profitable if he didn't make it that way.
I'm bi and I appreciate the series, Mishimoto, and the feelings of these two ninjas who were originally meant to be gay :)
I'm sure that after telling you this you now understand why that brolove was such a huge part of the series.

Actually I would have liked it better if it did end up with Naruto and Sasuke as a pairing. It would have made more sense than the way it ended up. Don't get me wrong I'm a huge Hinata fanboy and I just wanted her to be happy at the end... but I feel like the way it happened was kind of cheap without any kind of serious thought being put into it.

That makes me feel even worse though... and kind of reinforces my opinion that it was forced. Naruto just kind of gets paired up with Hinata because his true pairing is taboo. Ugh. Yeah now I feel even worse about the movie. :p
Van Apr 2, 2016 @ 4:54pm 
I'm not a fan of Naruto ending up with Hinata, but I can't see how to end a shounen series any other way that wouldn't have completely wrecked the themes about "not giving up" and other related pathos. Even the pairings at the end of the manga didn't make sense to me, but I have to rememer that this is a shounen plot, meaning everyone needs some sort of happy ending. Had Naruto ended up with anyone else, it would've left a character on the side, like Kiba or Lee. Lee's a loser in all this but you don't hear much about his fanbase. If it was Sasuke or Hinata that got left out then you bet there would've been a meltdown. The way Kishimoto decided to end it is the Great Compromise.
kwrstack Apr 3, 2016 @ 6:24am 
Originally posted by Weaver:
I'm not a fan of Naruto ending up with Hinata, but I can't see how to end a shounen series any other way that wouldn't have completely wrecked the themes about "not giving up" and other related pathos. Even the pairings at the end of the manga didn't make sense to me, but I have to rememer that this is a shounen plot, meaning everyone needs some sort of happy ending. Had Naruto ended up with anyone else, it would've left a character on the side, like Kiba or Lee. Lee's a loser in all this but you don't hear much about his fanbase. If it was Sasuke or Hinata that got left out then you bet there would've been a meltdown. The way Kishimoto decided to end it is the Great Compromise.

Sasuke richly deserved to be left out :p He's an evil bastard. Always made me angry that after ALL that ♥♥♥♥, he was welcomed back with open arms and Sakura was sill nuts for him.
Tricks Apr 3, 2016 @ 9:55am 
Originally posted by kwrstack:
Originally posted by Weaver:
I'm not a fan of Naruto ending up with Hinata, but I can't see how to end a shounen series any other way that wouldn't have completely wrecked the themes about "not giving up" and other related pathos. Even the pairings at the end of the manga didn't make sense to me, but I have to rememer that this is a shounen plot, meaning everyone needs some sort of happy ending. Had Naruto ended up with anyone else, it would've left a character on the side, like Kiba or Lee. Lee's a loser in all this but you don't hear much about his fanbase. If it was Sasuke or Hinata that got left out then you bet there would've been a meltdown. The way Kishimoto decided to end it is the Great Compromise.

Sasuke richly deserved to be left out :p He's an evil bastard. Always made me angry that after ALL that ♥♥♥♥, he was welcomed back with open arms and Sakura was sill nuts for him.

That's because Kishimoto likes Sasuke... and no matter what he did Sasuke will always be one of the most popular characters. Bleh.
Tricks Apr 3, 2016 @ 9:57am 
Originally posted by Weaver:
I'm not a fan of Naruto ending up with Hinata, but I can't see how to end a shounen series any other way that wouldn't have completely wrecked the themes about "not giving up" and other related pathos. Even the pairings at the end of the manga didn't make sense to me, but I have to rememer that this is a shounen plot, meaning everyone needs some sort of happy ending. Had Naruto ended up with anyone else, it would've left a character on the side, like Kiba or Lee. Lee's a loser in all this but you don't hear much about his fanbase. If it was Sasuke or Hinata that got left out then you bet there would've been a meltdown. The way Kishimoto decided to end it is the Great Compromise.

Poor Lee. He was always one of my favorite characters because he wasn't just a naturally talented instant OP character. Plus he was just cool. No one likes the weird characters though, they all want the stereotypical protagonists. :\
Lycan Jun 23, 2017 @ 11:17am 
Originally posted by Surge:
And lastly, and probably most importantly, the one thing that people fail to mention/realize, is that Naruto is around 17 or 18, the age when a young man begins to mature and begins to understand/think about love.
So this movie is actually very spot on for me.
Now the only thing I personally disagree with is as to why there why when Hinata confessed her love for him during the fight with Pain there wasn't any mention of it afterwards.
I haven't been watching the most recent episodes because they bored me with all the fillers but I think that one or two of those fillers should be centered on that love confession. Of course that's unlikely as their filling the fillers with bs.
You have incredibly bad arugments. Naruto loved Sakura his who life what you should be arguing is he finally gave up on her and Hinata is a rebound girl. When the girl of your dreams rejects you over and over again and you finally give up it puts you in a depression. Hinata makes Naruto feel loved that is the reasl arugment you should be making because that is what happens in real life.
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