My problem with the part 6 Jason model

[Andromada]

So, since it came out, I always found the part 6 model a bit off, but I never really felt the need to say it because I felt like it wasn't much, with the latest update for the virtual cabin however, some things became much worse and it made the whole model look just unacceptable. So here are the details.
Firstly if you want a good look at part 6 go at 11:34 on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy5kQu8hgS0 or look at this picture https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/92729662225811895/1762ACEF06BFA922EAE736E0CFC8113924911456/ (thanks Spino can't wake up)

The problems :
-the color of the pants is wrong, in the game it is a very light beige but it should be much darker and greyish https://weminoredinfilm.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/the-many-looks-of-jason-voorhees-20081027032437928-000.jpg
-the color of the mask is wrong, it is yellow and not yellowish it is an intense yellow, in the movie it is white, a bit dark because weathered but not yellowish at all http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/article/994/994932/friday-the-13th-part-vi-jason-lives-deluxe-edition-20090616071704507-000.jpg
-the shape of the torso, the shoulders and the neck is completely messed up, the shoulders are way too low, look at the model and then look at this picture http://spookyfests.com/images/other/ft13/jasonlives.jpg , the torso is too big go to 12:08 on the first video and to 8:37 on this one to notice the difference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fplk4zHOpBQ , the neck is too sunk in the torso and his back is way too curved again go to 12:08 and 8:37 to notice the difference

I find all the other models to be perfect so I am not here to criticize the work of the 3d modelers, I just really think that the part 6 model isn't accurate, and I know that some will say that it has to have roughly the same shape as Kane Hodder since he did the motion capture but this isn't true Kane's shoulders aren't low and his back isn't curved http://horrornews.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Kane-hodder-images-3.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk265/whitezombie14/IMG_5282.jpg . So I would really want to know what do you guys think about this model.

And one last thing, how the hell did Tommy Jarvis became red-headed ?

[Voidwalker]

i dont understand why is it triggers you so much, i personally think in-game shapes of torso and shoulders\head\trapezoid muscle are even bigger and heavier and more terrorizing in general, and i also want to mention that all in-game jasons are like 220cm 140kg, its not common-sized folks, they supposed to be big as ♥♥♥♥

[ssj_vegeta_jm2000]

when they did spot on with part 3 and as good as they will do for part 7 seeing how the part 6 looks way off is a bit unsetting... I agree that he looks nothing like the movie apart from having the yellow gloves and tool belt thats it XD

the shoulders/neck looks pretty bad esp gameplay from behind jason view. my fav is part 7 so the part 6 not being perfect wont bother me much but no jason skin should be left unperfect!!!

[Andromada]

引用自 Rojo Pulpo：

I agree, here what Gunmedia had said about it.

Wes:

"This Jason model was particularly tough to get right due to the lack of high-res reference images and full body shots with the undermask/makeup. Thanks to many of our partners, cohorts and fans, we've been able to accurately construct Jason to the highest level of detail possible. Hopefully we've helped do our part to preserve a piece of horror and pop culture history!"

"As for the mask, lighting is everything.
Both in the films and in the game. The mask, that was used in the film (which we have) actually has a yellow-ish brown hue to it.
The lights in the virtual cabin are pretty harsh, and cast a warm light, thus making the yellow stand out more. There were several masks used during the filming of Part 6.
We're using the one closer to the end of the movie. Each mask had a slightly different hue to it,
which doesn't make our job easy. The mask near the beginning of the film had more white in it.
It was also slightly rounder, since the actor (that they fired after a couple days)
was a bigger guy.
But the mask we modeled and textured is color correct to the mask used towards the latter part
of the film."

They also said something somewhere about the pants color but can not find it.
If i remember correctly they said the color is the same as the original one,
for this model they use the original pants using for the movie,
but in the films many factors affecting how things are in reality, let's say for example, lighting, camera filters or something like that.

My thought is that they should make the model based on the movie and not on the original items used for the movies, but still they made a good job.

Thanks for providing the info but I really don't believe what they are saying here, they say there isn't many references but I found several pictures that show that the model is inaccurate, they say that the model is accurate which is objectively not true, it is true that they did some parts perfectly notably the face, the jacket and the belt but most of the other parts are wrong.
For the colors I rewatched the 'Killer' Trailer and it is true that the pants only looks beige when Jason is near a light source so I might be wrong about that, but the mask is still wrong, they say the mask is from the end of the movie so let's have a look at this picture which is from the very end http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/t_article_image/rhfo5ezwyy0trfgenrij.jpg I really don't see any yellow on that mask its color is between white and beige if there is any yellow it is a very pale hue, now if we compare it to the 'Killer' Trailer when part 6 kills the flirty girl (there is no light near Jason at this time) the mask from the game is still much more yellow than the picture, so with the mask the problem isn't the lighting it is the color in itself.
I really think that they should not use real items as references because even if the mask used for the film was yellow what the camera filmed was a white mask and what the fans remember is Jason wearing a white mask in this movie.

[Andromada]

引用自 Kevin：

im not defending gun media or illfonic but we have to be a little reasonable here , yes the colours are off i am not disagreeing , i totally agree , every time i look at it i think the same thing but it could be because of how it looked in the game and trying to keep all the jasons looking different , is this the reason why ? , dont know , only gun and illfonic knows , as far as his build being off and not looking right we got to remember its kane hodder not cj graham we could knit pick that the 2 , 3 jasons dont look right either , or be happy that we got the one and only kane hodder to wear the mask again and give us a real friday the 13th game

I really don't think that keeping the Jasons different is the reason the color of the mask is off, it would be totally unfair to the fans of "Jason Lives" if they want to play their favourite Jason only to realize that they can't get the axact same one from the movie because the color white was already on the mask of an other Jason, no, apparently this is because the mask used for the movie was really yellow but on the movie it rendered white and they used the real item as the reference, which I think is not a good way to proceed.
But my biggest problem with part 6 is his shape, I know that in the game Kane Hodder is protaying every Jasons but there is something I really don't understand : the build of part 6 doesn't even match Kane's build, look at the pictures of kane I have provided and compare his back, his neck and his shoulders with the part 6 model post-update you will see that nothing matches, hell the builds of Graham and Hodder aren't that different http://st.depositphotos.com/1694341/1293/i/950/depositphotos_12934772-stock-photo-cj-graham-kane-hodder-warrington.jpg ,so if they had used exactly Kane's build the model would have looked more accurate, I don't understand why they made his shoulders extremely low and his back extremely curved, the build from the the game doesn't look like Hodder, it doesn't look like Graham and it doesn't look like "Jason Lives". And I don't think the builds of part 2 and 3 are off when I look at these pictures http://obxentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/steve-dash-as-jason.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9vfvDaSgbDw/TwKIj7mNVGI/AAAAAAAACRc/PWdSZuaaRAM/s1600/Friday-the-13th-Part-III-Jason-Voorhees-Richard-Brooker-barn-machete.png .

[Andromada]

引用自 Death：

引用自 Kevin：

im not defending gun media or illfonic but we have to be a little reasonable here , yes the colours are off i am not disagreeing , i totally agree , every time i look at it i think the same thing but it could be because of how it looked in the game and trying to keep all the jasons looking different , is this the reason why ? , dont know , only gun and illfonic knows , as far as his build being off and not looking right we got to remember its kane hodder not cj graham we could knit pick that the 2 , 3 jasons dont look right either , or be happy that we got the one and only kane hodder to wear the mask again and give us a real friday the 13th game

+13

I agree it isn't 100%, but at the same time I almost don't really care. He still looks cool and it's still obvious which movie he's from. We're talking about a job that is never perfect even from big companies with massive teams and huge budgets and these guys have done an amazing job with a fraction of the money and manpower.

Of course he looks cool but he doesn't look like Jason and those who like Part 6 more than any other movie from the franchise really care for the accuracy. And no this job is not "never perfect" because all of the other model are perfect, the only that has anything wrong is part 6 and those mistakes are obvious so I really don't understand how they could let that slide for this model and not for the others.

[Andromada]

引用自 Hardcore：

i dont understand why is it triggers you so much, i personally think in-game shapes of torso and shoulders\head\trapezoid muscle are even bigger and heavier and more terrorizing in general, and i also want to mention that all in-game jasons are like 220cm 140kg, its not common-sized folks, they supposed to be big as ♥♥♥♥

I am not triggered I am just giving a constructive criticism about a work of art. I have no problem with how tall the Jasons are, but I have a problem with how big part 6 is, most of the other models in the game are pretty big but this is because they were that way in the movies, in "Jason Lives" Jason is really much slimer than in most of the other movies so it really doesn't make sense to have him as big as the others models and you don't need to be big to be tall. And I am not saying that the shoulders are too big I am saying that they are too low.

[Andromada]

引用自 ssj_vegeta_jm2000：

when they did spot on with part 3 and as good as they will do for part 7 seeing how the part 6 looks way off is a bit unsetting... I agree that he looks nothing like the movie apart from having the yellow gloves and tool belt thats it XD

the shoulders/neck looks pretty bad esp gameplay from behind jason view. my fav is part 7 so the part 6 not being perfect wont bother me much but no jason skin should be left unperfect!!!

Exactly.

[kevin]

引用自 Andromada：

引用自 Death：

+13

I agree it isn't 100%, but at the same time I almost don't really care. He still looks cool and it's still obvious which movie he's from. We're talking about a job that is never perfect even from big companies with massive teams and huge budgets and these guys have done an amazing job with a fraction of the money and manpower.

Of course he looks cool but he doesn't look like Jason and those who like Part 6 more than any other movie from the franchise really care for the accuracy. And no this job is not "never perfect" because all of the other model are perfect, the only that has anything wrong is part 6 and those mistakes are obvious so I really don't understand how they could let that slide for this model and not for the others.

you do know that you are killing ur own argument right when u say the 2 and 3 are perfect , again il just say one more time , kane hodder was the model for all the jasons in the game thats a reason the part 6 build is off , parts 2 and 3 are also off , no matter what u say they are not perfect nor accurate , kane hodder did not play jason in part 2 , 3 , or 6 so of course the builds will be different , stop ur crying and be happy with what we got because it looks good

[Big"Dick"Cheney]

引用自 Astral_Reject：

I say the next Jason model is given golden locks of long blonde hair and a mask made from the scrotums of all his victims. He will yield a spoon, with which he will eat tubs upon tubs of ice cream out of his victims stomachs.
And when all is said and done he'll be the most beautiful girl in the world.

" I AM a beautiful girl mother....I AM beautiful"

----"you are Jason. You are a beautiful girl. You're mommy's little girl"


ROLL CREDITS.

lol dude i would produce that. My water almost came out my nose +13

[Andromada]

引用自 Kevin：

引用自 Andromada：

Of course he looks cool but he doesn't look like Jason and those who like Part 6 more than any other movie from the franchise really care for the accuracy. And no this job is not "never perfect" because all of the other model are perfect, the only that has anything wrong is part 6 and those mistakes are obvious so I really don't understand how they could let that slide for this model and not for the others.

you do know that you are killing ur own argument right when u say the 2 and 3 are perfect , again il just say one more time , kane hodder was the model for all the jasons in the game thats a reason the part 6 build is off , parts 2 and 3 are also off , no matter what u say they are not perfect nor accurate , kane hodder did not play jason in part 2 , 3 , or 6 so of course the builds will be different , stop ur crying and be happy with what we got because it looks good

I very well know that Kane Hodder only played Jason in part 7, 8, 9 and 10. When I look at some picture of part 2 and I then compare them to the model from the game I find the size of the torso to be well-proportioned in relation to the rest of the body and I dont find any difference between the Jason from the movie and the Jason from the game, for part 3 it is mostly the same thing the only difference for this one is the height of the shoulders that are a bit too high in the game but this is the only difference on this model and it is very subtle so for me even if that model isn't 100% perfect it is near perfect. And no, I am not killing my argument by saying that part 2 and 3 are perfect (or near perfect) since I have stated several times that Kane Hodder isn't the reason part 6 is off because the build of the part 6 model looks nothing like the build of Kane Hodder, if the model had exactly the same build as Kane his shoulders should be way higher and his back should be way less curved, you can see that by comparing these pictures to the part 6 model http://horrornews.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Kane-hodder-images-3.jpg http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk265/whitezombie14/IMG_5282.jpg I have also stated that using Kane's build for the part 6 model would be a way to improve it, because right now part 6 doesn't look like Hodder and he doesn't look like Graham either.

[kevin]

then u need glasses or to look again

[Andromada]

引用自 Kevin：

then u need glasses or to look again

Seriously, is it so hard to see that the the shoulders of this guy https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/92729662225811895/1762ACEF06BFA922EAE736E0CFC8113924911456/ are way lower than the shoulders of this guy http://horrornews.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Kane-hodder-images-3.jpg ?

[Thomas Jefferson]

引用自 YT | theMontologist：

Lol love how this Charmin guy is only allowing playback on monetizable platforms...:theskull:

There was some other guy that could only play their video's on monetizable platforms and said in his discription please turn off adblock lol

[Big"Dick"Cheney]

引用自 BOT Allah：

引用自 ShadowSpirit：

Mark my words. I will never challenge you to F13 trivia

Friday the 13th*

If typos and grammar corrections all you have you're a f*cking mark. Go swallow a bullet and kill yourself.♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Weak sauce.

[cristrugturh naldo]

引用自 Big"♥♥♥♥"Cheney：

引用自 BOT Allah：

Friday the 13th*

If typos and grammar corrections all you have you're a f*cking mark. Go swallow a bullet and kill yourself.♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Weak sauce.

Nope. If he wants to do it to me, I'll gadly point out his continuous errors.