Questions about Orbsments.

[astranabeat]

Is there any explanation ingame why everyone use Orbments with different Orbment line ? I knew this is for gameplay reason that why everyone use different Orbments. Str characters has worst orb line, Ats characters has best orb line etc. I just want to know why in trail universe everyone didn't use Orbments with single line.
Is it because it expensive, rare ? If it because of this then this explain why Oliver and Renne has best Orbments line in the game.
Is it hard to use ? Tita is the best engineer in the team but she use crappy Orbments. why? She shouldn't have any problem to use better Orbments.

Quartz restriction, why this is a thing? some slot can use every quartz this mean every quartz have same shape and size then why fire quartz can't fit in water slot ? is it because some slot can draw power from certain quartz ? but free element slot exist then why Orbments need element exclusive slot ?

Upgrading slot, gameplay need this for locking player progress. can't let player use best quartz for free. in trail world, Orbments slot need to upgrade to make slot have more power so it can draw power from high grade quartz.

Tldr. I knew different Orbments is for gameplay reason. I just want explanation ingame why every Orbments need to be different in game universe.

[RegalStar]

http://puu.sh/w87kW/4abbae8f50.png

The orbment is specifically designed to synchronize with their bearer, so they have different limitations depending on their aptitude... or something like that.

[xXiaoDrag0n]

Originally posted by RegalStar:

http://puu.sh/w87kW/4abbae8f50.png

The orbment is specifically designed to synchronize with their bearer, so they have different limitations depending on their aptitude... or something like that.

Well, that's an in-game logic that I wouldn't accept. I get the feeling that Falcom themselves couldn't bother to give it a better reason on why it limits the arts the user can use beside saying that the Orbment "knows what's best for the user".

I bet those living in the game universe wouldn't accept that logic well and probably there are people who are smart enough to hack into the orbment system and adjust the setup to their liking. Probably that's why Renne has no limitations in the arts she can use as she might be one of the above mention that managed to do that.

Heck, there even might be people making good mira out of it by selling their service to others.

[LrdDimwit]

Are you seriously getting that hung up on this? They explained it. Their explanation makes sense enough. This is, after all, the same series where weeks or months are implied to pass as the game goes on - yet you can carry around "fresh milk" and eggs and all kinds of spoilable food, and then eat it without any ill effects.

[Mizufluffy]

I'm completely fine with the explanation the game gives us. Just because I don't understand the fundamental principles behind battle orbments doesn't mean I can't accept it. I've obviously never used battle orbments but I'm a little bit curious what kind of aptitude I would have for it if orbal technology existed in our world. How many lines my orbment would have? Would any of the slots be restricted to a certain element? As much as we already know about orbments, it does make me curious about how the orbments are manufactured, especially the battle orbments. Is each of them completely custom made based on individual needs or is the base the same for everyone and only lines and slots are configured based on individual needs?

I wonder if the book about the Epstein foundation explains everything about orbments.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=937846780

[xXiaoDrag0n]

Originally posted by LrdDimwit:

yet you can carry around "fresh milk" and eggs and all kinds of spoilable food, and then eat it without any ill effects.

Well now that you mention it... That doesn't really make much sense as well but I didn't give much thought into it, but whatever... probably they have a lot of tricks up their sleeves that we don't know about or something...

Maybe I got hung up on the logic because I would be one of them who wouldn't accept it readily and would try and defy that logic and break it myself. It also led me to think that every wielder that can't but want to use arts freely should just accept the logic and let it be.

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[Hat8]

Originally posted by xXiaoDrag0n:

Originally posted by RegalStar:

http://puu.sh/w87kW/4abbae8f50.png

The orbment is specifically designed to synchronize with their bearer, so they have different limitations depending on their aptitude... or something like that.

Well, that's an in-game logic that I wouldn't accept. I get the feeling that Falcom themselves couldn't bother to give it a better reason on why it limits the arts the user can use beside saying that the Orbment "knows what's best for the user".

How much do you want them to explain? You're shooting a fireball out of nowhere with the help of a little clockwork mechanism and phantasma is pretty fantastical if you really think about it.

Orbments and crafts are basically the "force" of this series. Mystical stuff that has something to do with innate abilities, inner strength, virtue and emotion.

[RegalStar]

Originally posted by Mizufluffy:

I'm completely fine with the explanation the game gives us. Just because I don't understand the fundamental principles behind battle orbments doesn't mean I can't accept it. I've obviously never used battle orbments but I'm a little bit curious what kind of aptitude I would have for it if orbal technology existed in our world. How many lines my orbment would have? Would any of the slots be restricted to a certain element? As much as we already know about orbments, it does make me curious about how the orbments are manufactured, especially the battle orbments. Is each of them completely custom made based on individual needs or is the base the same for everyone and only lines and slots are configured based on individual needs?

I wonder if the book about the Epstein foundation explains everything about orbments.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=937846780

http://puu.sh/w8yWO/0199458039.png

At least, it sounds like they're not custom made, just custom adjusted.

[Mizufluffy]

Originally posted by RegalStar:

http://puu.sh/w8yWO/0199458039.png

At least, it sounds like they're not custom made, just custom adjusted.

Yeah, it does sound like that which makes me wonder how they are determining the owner's personal aptitude so they can adjust it correctly? What methods they are using in order to know what kind of orbment matches the best for its user? I assume the process can't be too hard or complex, it's probably something they can do at their local orbal factory. Also, is there any kind of information on what would happen (if anything at all) if a person tries to use a battle orbment that isn't adjusted for their personal aptitude? Does it simply refuses to work, will there be some kind of malfunction or would the effects of the quartz and arts be less than optimal?

[RegalStar]

Originally posted by Mizufluffy:

Originally posted by RegalStar:

http://puu.sh/w8yWO/0199458039.png

At least, it sounds like they're not custom made, just custom adjusted.

Yeah, it does sound like that which makes me wonder how they are determining the owner's personal aptitude so they can adjust it correctly? What methods they are using in order to know what kind of orbment matches the best for its user? I assume the process can't be too hard or complex, it's probably something they can do at their local orbal factory. Also, is there any kind of information on what would happen (if anything at all) if a person tries to use a battle orbment that isn't adjusted for their personal aptitude? Does it simply refuses to work, will there be some kind of malfunction or would the effects of the quartz and arts be less than optimal?

Ao no Kiseki spoiler: at a certain point in the game, Randy decided to ditch his usual Enigma (so Lloyd and co. can't contact him), and then grabbed an unregistered one from a black market weapon seller, which persumably isn't as tailor fit for him as his normal one. Judging by how he bothered to do such a thing, the black market Enigma probably still works for him; but since he proceeded to get the crap beat out of him by Shirley, it probably doesn't work as well.

[Missilepom]

Fewer orbment lines=harder to operate and vice versa

That's why physical fighters like zin have multiple lines instead of a single one (since they suck at casting magic and they don't depend on it)