Final Chapter 6 boss...

[MabinoZerk]

The battle with Schwarzritter/Loewe.

This is the only fight in the trilogy I can recall using the retry offset feature to fight the boss on Easy. Do I feel bad about it? A little, but at the same time I don't care and just want to continue the game. I swear the fight was almost harder than Cassius. Taking out the archaism was easy, but Loewe's' S-Crafts and clones obliterated me on Normal. One S-Craft did about 10,000 damage to all characters, and he usually killed me in followup turns, so I wouldn't have enough time to heal. It doesn't help that he's immune to pretty much all status ailments and debuffs. Plus physical attacks did a pittance of damage even with buffs.

I'd like to know how other people beat this guy. I still have the save right before the boss, so I could beat him again on Normal if I wanted, but I need advice. My party was Kevin, Joshua, Zin and Kloe, all around the 125-130 level range.

[Bobo]

For pretty much any boss fight, I've been using Kevin's Grail S-Craft with 200cp and Earth shield spells frequently to avoid huge attacks doing 10k+ damage to the entire party. The Gaia one that shields the whole party is great.

Zodiac is a great way to boost everyone's attack and defense so the physical attacks are less wimpy (though Zin doesn't need it with his self buff), and Speed Up EX is also worth getting on everyone once you have defenses up.

I also had a heavy arts user dropping arts that hit everything instead of single target arts, which helped wipe out the clones faster.

Generally I have 1 arts attacker, 1 physical attacker, and 2 arts supporters in the party (supporter doing walls + stat up spells mostly, and then healing/damage/crafts if walls or stat spells aren't needed). An early grail generally allows for enough breathing room to cast Zodiac and some speed up spells before earth wall spells are necessary.

I'm playing on hard and haven't had any troubles at all like this so far.

[MabinoZerk]

I used the Earth Wall strat on Cassius and thought I could do this fight without it. Guess not. I tried using arts like Death Scream but I find that even with Cast 2 equipped it's slower at dealing damage than straight up using physical attacks. I'm also aware of Zodiac, and that helps, but having an opportunity to have Kloe cast it instead of healing the party can be rare when my HP is low. I also have Kevin's S-Break set to Spear of Loa instead of Grail Sphere.

[Bobo]

If you keep the walls up, then HP doesn't get low and you don't need to heal up much, if at all. Prevention > Cure, especially when people are getting hit for 10k a pop. I'd usually try to start fights by having Kevin cast Zodiac ASAP and then break to Grail Sphere right after.

How are you characters geared? I tried to optimize for speed and either STR or ATS for the most part, so between that and Clock Up Ex, I had plenty of turns to keep everyone healthy/walled and kill stuff. A single Art from someone with high ATS would do more damage than a single attack, even after +25% STR boosts. I used Richard for that fight though, so with his crazy speed on the Crafts, he did do more single target damage than my arts users considering the number of extra turns he got.

[Gambio]

He didn't strike me as particular powerful, i certainly had a bigger issue with Cassius

In fact i feel the Loewe fights have beein getting easier with each game which is quite sad

[That's ich!]

Originally posted by Gambio:

He didn't strike me as particular powerful, i certainly had a bigger issue with Cassius

In fact i feel the Loewe fights have beein getting easier with each game which is quite sad

i am pretty sure SC Löwe is much much harder then FC Löwe xD

[Hat8]

Originally posted by Gambio:

He didn't strike me as particular powerful, i certainly had a bigger issue with Cassius

In fact i feel the Loewe fights have beein getting easier with each game which is quite sad

He's tougher. You're just given better tools each time you fight him.

[MabinoZerk]

I beat him on Normal. I used Earth Wall more often and that helped. I also used a couple Zeram items so that I could use S-Breaks more often. My accessory slots were taken up by Faint/Confuse protection instead of Gladiator items.

[Onizuka]

Grail Sphere + Earth Wall helps on the defensive. I honestly killed him so fast on Normal he never even got to summon a clone.

If all else fails, you could always cheese him with Richard and/or Renne.

[Senoinya Aumeriyal'e]

I beat him on my first try with Kevin, Kloe, Renne, and Joshua. Had Kevin spam Earth Wall while Renne gave out buffs, meanwhile I had Kloe cast Genesic Barrier. GB is pretty costly, but more than worth it in this fight because you'll have full immunity to all of his arts. You'll want to cast the buffs first, though, since otherwise GB will cancel those out too. Once you have those going, don't bother with Earth Wall since that won't count either - you'll have to rely entirely on Grail Sphere for damage immunity, which is why you should save it for once GB is up. I had Joshua with full CP-up gear so I just had him spam his S-break and help Renne with spamming Clock-Up EX.

After using GS, I began relying on Kloe spamming La-Tear All while everyone else spammed AoEs.

Was pretty easy. All you have to do is believe in Kloe.

[Sephilar]

You can say that the fight against Loewe in The 3rd compared to Cassius is even way too easy to be honest, especially when you take into account that him becoming Schwarzritter make him (or that's what you take for granted at the very least) even more powerful than when he was alive (and we can say for certain that he probably didn't go all out even in SC), for me it was very disappointing that I had to Retry a lot against Cassius while with him I won in the first try in Hard, and not even bothering to guard more than with Kevin's S-craft or equipping accessories to prevent Confuse (when in FC it was almost mandatory for you to avoid being confused), you only have to know when to use his S-craft, don't do it just at the start of the battle, wait some turns until you're certain he's going to use his S-crafts and after that it's just about knowing when to heal yourself and attack him, obviously Cast 2 is always a must (Time Gem is not really that worth to be honest, but it's better than not having anything for your party to do arts quickly), besides in Hard and even especially in Nightmare you'll not want to waste time in doing attacks that even coming from say Agate will not do much most of the time, instead using arts like Shadow Spear and White Gehenna is always the best thing you can do in order to do damage.

If you do all that, you don't even need one of the best characters in your party like Kloe to beat him, also one thing that's also important when it comes to beat him in FC in Nightmare, is to do arts deliberately so that you make him waste time canceling arts instead of other better options he could do like healing himself, you'll want to do this also because while it hits more than one if your characters are near each other it doesn't do much damage compared to other attacks he can do.

So uh... I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that Loewe is more powerful than Cassius (stick) story-wise, so I don't understand why Falcom made him so weak gameplay-wise compared to Cassius (stick), and again when unlike in SC Loewe was supposed to go all out this time around because he was forced to do so like the other Guardians.