Ending Theory MAJOR SPOILERS

[Punisheruuu]

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I believe that there is a way that Edward Jones (the train driver) could still be alive.
Now keep in mind while I do think this theory is POSSIBLE I do not think it is PROBABLE.

Edward Jones could still be alive IF someone saved him.


We know that at LEAST Athur Vane can open doorways through the fourth dimmension.
In the DLC when you play as Peter Glenn you walk to a knight and he speak to you.
But this was in an area where the boundries of time and space were torn down.

Possibly this is the space that Arthur Vane uses to go between space and only him and others are can use it. Or all reborn can open their own 4th dimmensional space.

But we still know that other can use this.

So it is POSSIBLE that before the bullet actually hits Edward Jones in the head someone using the 4th dimmension could push him, or push something else in the way, and possibly even kill Arthur Vane (the Hunter).

Take note that we never actually see someone go from normal human to a "reborn" human.

So we do not know if being covered in black goo is part and parcel of the process, but I highly doubt it is because then Arthur Vane probably would not have shot at Edward.

So unless someone saved Edward or Arthur Vane missed and THEN Edward pulled through and became "reborn" I believe that he is dead, and will remain that way for the rest of this series.

Although I would love to see him come back in another DLC, I would bet money he won't.
But just knowing that it is technically possible for him to still be alive makes me happier.


RIP

[McNanimous]

Being honest, when I first end the game I thought the same. Indeed I waited for the end of the credits of the game as some times deveolpers add an extra escene, like in movies. I was really expecting the mechanist was alive somehow... who knows.

There are some pros and cons in that theory.

Pros:
- We never see him dying. We hear the shoot, but the game ends abruptly in that point.
- The second last thing the Hunter says is something like "Go ahead, I won´t spoil you the surprise" (not literal words, my game is in spanish...). The point is, what surprise? The surprise that he will not see his family again and that he will be shot to die? Something is missing there.

Cons:
- The Hunter tells him in the train that he is the last one. We can assume he means the last human. I find it hard that someone will help the mechanist if they all are "aliens" (or whatever we want to call them).
- I also find it hard a plot where the Hunter needs the Mechanist alive, but that could be a very good story for a second game.

The DLC shows that some people can go back in time. Maybe there is a chance to change the events of the main story and make the machinist survives or not get infected, etc. We will never know unless a new DLC or a second game is done, so we can only speculate...

[Punisheruuu]

Originally posted by McNanimous:

Being honest, when I first end the game I thought the same. Indeed I waited for the end of the credits of the game as some times deveolpers add an extra escene, like in movies. I was really expecting the mechanist was alive somehow... who knows.

There are some pros and cons in that theory.

Pros:
- We never see him dying. We hear the shoot, but the game ends abruptly in that point.
- The second last thing the Hunter says is something like "Go ahead, I won´t spoil you the surprise" (not literal words, my game is in spanish...). The point is, what surprise? The surprise that he will not see his family again and that he will be shot to die? Something is missing there.

Cons:
- The Hunter tells him in the train that he is the last one. We can assume he means the last human. I find it hard that someone will help the mechanist if they all are "aliens" (or whatever we want to call them).
- I also find it hard a plot where the Hunter needs the Mechanist alive, but that could be a very good story for a second game.

The DLC shows that some people can go back in time. Maybe there is a chance to change the events of the main story and make the machinist survives or not get infected, etc. We will never know unless a new DLC or a second game is done, so we can only speculate...

When the hunter says "you are the last one" he means the last train conductor I believe.
Although that could mean human I doubt it because of the L-ABS bunker where Peter Glenn from the DLC was dropped off.

As for what the hunter says before he shoots, I play in English and am currently working on a 3rd playthrough but for me he always said "I will take care of her" meaning the train driver's daughter.

Although I have not beat the game since the language update that happened recently so I will get to the end and see what he says.

[McNanimous]

No, I mean a little bit earlier, when the Hunter is in the town, in the street under the saxo guy. He spoke about a surprise...

[Franklin Roosevelt]

Originally posted by Punisheruuu:

Originally posted by McNanimous:

Being honest, when I first end the game I thought the same. Indeed I waited for the end of the credits of the game as some times deveolpers add an extra escene, like in movies. I was really expecting the mechanist was alive somehow... who knows.

There are some pros and cons in that theory.

Pros:
- We never see him dying. We hear the shoot, but the game ends abruptly in that point.
- The second last thing the Hunter says is something like "Go ahead, I won´t spoil you the surprise" (not literal words, my game is in spanish...). The point is, what surprise? The surprise that he will not see his family again and that he will be shot to die? Something is missing there.

Cons:
- The Hunter tells him in the train that he is the last one. We can assume he means the last human. I find it hard that someone will help the mechanist if they all are "aliens" (or whatever we want to call them).
- I also find it hard a plot where the Hunter needs the Mechanist alive, but that could be a very good story for a second game.

The DLC shows that some people can go back in time. Maybe there is a chance to change the events of the main story and make the machinist survives or not get infected, etc. We will never know unless a new DLC or a second game is done, so we can only speculate...

When the hunter says "you are the last one" he means the last train conductor I believe.
Although that could mean human I doubt it because of the L-ABS bunker where Peter Glenn from the DLC was dropped off.

As for what the hunter says before he shoots, I play in English and am currently working on a 3rd playthrough but for me he always said "I will take care of her" meaning the train driver's daughter.

Although I have not beat the game since the language update that happened recently so I will get to the end and see what he says.

Sadly I think the people in the L-ABS Bunker starve to death because they didn't bring down the emergency food supplies. I'm hoping this is not the case but the devs lead to it

[Punisheruuu]

Originally posted by McNanimous:

No, I mean a little bit earlier, when the Hunter is in the town, in the street under the saxo guy. He spoke about a surprise...

O I remember that, yeah IDK what that could mean... Maybe his daughter is "rebron"?
And the hunter is now taking care of her?

Originally posted by Franklin Roosevelt:

Originally posted by Punisheruuu:

When the hunter says "you are the last one" he means the last train conductor I believe.
Although that could mean human I doubt it because of the L-ABS bunker where Peter Glenn from the DLC was dropped off.

As for what the hunter says before he shoots, I play in English and am currently working on a 3rd playthrough but for me he always said "I will take care of her" meaning the train driver's daughter.

Although I have not beat the game since the language update that happened recently so I will get to the end and see what he says.

Sadly I think the people in the L-ABS Bunker starve to death because they didn't bring down the emergency food supplies. I'm hoping this is not the case but the devs lead to it

Yes they do not have the food loaded when we get there but there were still plenty of people on the top that would have to go down and they would see the food.

[Franklin Roosevelt]

Originally posted by Punisheruuu:

Originally posted by McNanimous:

No, I mean a little bit earlier, when the Hunter is in the town, in the street under the saxo guy. He spoke about a surprise...

O I remember that, yeah IDK what that could mean... Maybe his daughter is "rebron"?
And the hunter is now taking care of her?

Originally posted by Franklin Roosevelt:

Sadly I think the people in the L-ABS Bunker starve to death because they didn't bring down the emergency food supplies. I'm hoping this is not the case but the devs lead to it

Yes they do not have the food loaded when we get there but there were still plenty of people on the top that would have to go down and they would see the food.

they said they were gonna close the cargo lift and then the guy asks if they have the food loaded, doesnt matter if they noticed, the cargo lift would already be closed

[CAPITAL LETTER MAN!]

Weren't the scientists in the second room or so growing plants? I mean, obviously the food they bring will last for a while, but there has to be a sustainable solution as well. There would be a lot of suffering but some would survive.

Never mind the fact that the food is literally right on top of the bunker. Draw straws or take a volunteer who's willing to go out in a hazmat suit and restart the cargo lift, or bring food into the airlock a box at a time, then wait it out to see if they turn before letting them back in.

I see where the devs were going, but it's a pretty illogical plot point.

[Punisheruuu]

Originally posted by CAPITAL LETTER MAN!:

Weren't the scientists in the second room or so growing plants? I mean, obviously the food they bring will last for a while, but there has to be a sustainable solution as well. There would be a lot of suffering but some would survive.

Never mind the fact that the food is literally right on top of the bunker. Draw straws or take a volunteer who's willing to go out in a hazmat suit and restart the cargo lift, or bring food into the airlock a box at a time, then wait it out to see if they turn before letting them back in.

I see where the devs were going, but it's a pretty illogical plot point.

^^^^^ yeah I forgot to mention the plants in my post, they could easily survive.

[McNanimous]

Originally posted by Punisheruuu:

Maybe his daughter is "rebron"?
And the hunter is now taking care of her?

Yes, I think we can assume that, I mean, I do not think that the Hunter mean "take care of her corpse" or something. It seems that the daughter of the Mechanist would survive somehow, as a reborn or not.

Originally posted by CAPITAL LETTER MAN!:

Weren't the scientists in the second room or so growing plants? I mean, obviously the food they bring will last for a while, but there has to be a sustainable solution as well. There would be a lot of suffering but some would survive.

Never mind the fact that the food is literally right on top of the bunker. Draw straws or take a volunteer who's willing to go out in a hazmat suit and restart the cargo lift, or bring food into the airlock a box at a time, then wait it out to see if they turn before letting them back in.

I see where the devs were going, but it's a pretty illogical plot point.

I agree. Even if there was some kind of sabotage, if the food was up there in the main door of the bunker, as the crisis was not due to radiation or a virus problem, it would be very easy to form a team, open the door and take the food. And also, yes, their infrastruture should have a way to produce more food, maybe an hydroponics area or something. Nobody will trust in a not self-sufficient bunker, even the scientists.

[Franklin Roosevelt]

Originally posted by McNanimous:

Originally posted by Punisheruuu:

Maybe his daughter is "rebron"?
And the hunter is now taking care of her?

Yes, I think we can assume that, I mean, I do not think that the Hunter mean "take care of her corpse" or something. It seems that the daughter of the Mechanist would survive somehow, as a reborn or not.

Originally posted by CAPITAL LETTER MAN!:

Weren't the scientists in the second room or so growing plants? I mean, obviously the food they bring will last for a while, but there has to be a sustainable solution as well. There would be a lot of suffering but some would survive.

Never mind the fact that the food is literally right on top of the bunker. Draw straws or take a volunteer who's willing to go out in a hazmat suit and restart the cargo lift, or bring food into the airlock a box at a time, then wait it out to see if they turn before letting them back in.

I see where the devs were going, but it's a pretty illogical plot point.

I agree. Even if there was some kind of sabotage, if the food was up there in the main door of the bunker, as the crisis was not due to radiation or a virus problem, it would be very easy to form a team, open the door and take the food. And also, yes, their infrastruture should have a way to produce more food, maybe an hydroponics area or something. Nobody will trust in a not self-sufficient bunker, even the scientists.

Please make it canon that they survive cmon devs

[Punisheruuu]

Originally posted by Franklin Roosevelt:

Originally posted by McNanimous:

Yes, I think we can assume that, I mean, I do not think that the Hunter mean "take care of her corpse" or something. It seems that the daughter of the Mechanist would survive somehow, as a reborn or not.



I agree. Even if there was some kind of sabotage, if the food was up there in the main door of the bunker, as the crisis was not due to radiation or a virus problem, it would be very easy to form a team, open the door and take the food. And also, yes, their infrastruture should have a way to produce more food, maybe an hydroponics area or something. Nobody will trust in a not self-sufficient bunker, even the scientists.

Please make it canon that they survive cmon devs

Right now it isn't cannon either way. It is left to us to theorize about it and logically figure out what actually happened ion this game.

[McNanimous]

Originally posted by Punisheruuu:

Right now it isn't cannon either way. It is left to us to theorize about it and logically figure out what actually happened ion this game.

Yeah, these are just theories... But now I think about it, what is the point of leaving a 1% or even less of the world population as reborns + the people who survived if any? Why the "aliens" need the Earth so empty, but not completely empty? If they want the resources of the planet, or colonize it, why not kill everyone?

[Punisheruuu]

Originally posted by McNanimous:

Originally posted by Punisheruuu:

Right now it isn't cannon either way. It is left to us to theorize about it and logically figure out what actually happened ion this game.

Yeah, these are just theories... But now I think about it, what is the point of leaving a 1% or even less of the world population as reborns + the people who survived if any? Why the "aliens" need the Earth so empty, but not completely empty? If they want the resources of the planet, or colonize it, why not kill everyone?

This is why I do not believe that the "alines" are completely hostile in thier intent.
I believe that they are trying to help humanity and merge the two world (earth and thiers) but they think of humans as we think of apes or even lesser animals.

[Jazz Conceptions]

You are assuming there are "actually" aliens and that the gas was not a human creation.

[Punisheruuu]

Originally posted by The Jazz Messengers:

You are assuming there are "actually" aliens and that the gas was not a human creation.

I believe that we have discussed that on this post already. If not on here then on some of the other ones.

We know that there are things like aliens because of the DLC, while one of the council member (Arthur Vane) worked with the "aliens".

I am not sure who made the gas, but we know that the canisters are made of an unkown material and that the scientist in the L-abs bunker know nothing about them besides that. I believe that the canisters and the gas wre made by aliens.