"Suicide" achievement

[Ivandrov]

Why does flying into a black hole kill you?

[//Axius27]

Probably the same reason why light can't escape it. A singularity is the one location in the universe where physics breaks down and our understanding ends. If anything was going to kill the player, it would be that.

[Bing Chilling]

actually finding one of these blackholes without using the story is very rare
i'v seen 1 in my 10 or so hours in free roam

[Ivandrov]

The issue is that the player character in the game also breaks physics. The player character can travel at 1 trillion times the speed of light, which is about 30000 light years a second and is also basically immortal. We can fly as close to a small black hole as would normally atomize an object as small as a person. I just don't see what the justification is for a black hole killing the player character when the player character breaks all manner of physics law and theroy

[Vile Sentry]

Originally posted by GOTR Ivandrov:

The issue is that the player character in the game also breaks physics. The player character can travel at 1 trillion times the speed of light, which is about 30000 light years a second and is also basically immortal. We can fly as close to a small black hole as would normally atomize an object as small as a person. I just don't see what the justification is for a black hole killing the player character when the player character breaks all manner of physics law and theroy

It doesn't need to be justified. Not even light can escape a black hole, it really isn't that unbelievable that whatever the protagonist is could be consumed by it.

[Ivandrov]

Originally posted by DriscolDevil:

Originally posted by GOTR Ivandrov:

The issue is that the player character in the game also breaks physics. The player character can travel at 1 trillion times the speed of light, which is about 30000 light years a second and is also basically immortal. We can fly as close to a small black hole as would normally atomize an object as small as a person. I just don't see what the justification is for a black hole killing the player character when the player character breaks all manner of physics law and theroy

It doesn't need to be justified. Not even light can escape a black hole, it really isn't that unbelievable that whatever the protagonist is could be consumed by it.

I think it is completely unbelievable. The protagonist couldn't care less about the fact the light can't escape a black hole, when the protagonist can move 1 trillion times its speed.

[Vile Sentry]

Originally posted by GOTR Ivandrov:

Originally posted by DriscolDevil:

It doesn't need to be justified. Not even light can escape a black hole, it really isn't that unbelievable that whatever the protagonist is could be consumed by it.

I think it is completely unbelievable. The protagonist couldn't care less about the fact the light can't escape a black hole, when the protagonist can move 1 trillion times its speed.

Seems pretty reasonable to me.

[Ivandrov]

The problem is, you are attempting to apply physics laws that the protagonist throws a great big F*** you to.

[Vile Sentry]

Originally posted by GOTR Ivandrov:

The problem is, you are attempting to apply physics laws that the protagonist throws a great big F*** you to.

What's your point? It sounds like you are trying to be witty but don't actually have a point.
The protagonist also has has momentum, should that be removed because it kind of aligns with the laws of physics?

Just because superman flies doesn't mean things he throws need to float instead of falling to the ground.

[//Axius27]

I'll restate my point from July. Black Holes are a point where physics breaks down and the normal rules no longer apply. If we assume that normal space is reality, then black holes are the only location that can be called 'unreality'. The player is many things, but they are always anchored in reality to some extent.

If we disregard that though and go with Ivandrov's statement that the player doesn't care about normal physics, well, neither do black holes. Continuing the superman analogy, just because Superman is all powerful here doesn't mean he's invulnerable everywhere. His most consistent weakness are objects and people that are from Krypton and therefore very similar to him. Objects rooted in normal can't hurt the player, but something that also disregards normal physics, that's an equal opponent.

[Ivandrov]

Originally posted by Axius27:

If we disregard that though and go with Ivandrov's statement that the player doesn't care about normal physics, well, neither do black holes. Continuing the superman analogy, just because Superman is all powerful here doesn't mean he's invulnerable everywhere. His most consistent weakness are objects and people that are from Krypton and therefore very similar to him. Objects rooted in normal can't hurt the player, but something that also disregards normal physics, that's an equal opponent.

But, that's my whole point. Neither are rooted in physics. Everyone in this thread has treated the protagonist like an object that is rooted in physics when interacting with black holes and is therefore destined to die in the black hole. When in fact, the properties of the protagonist are unlike anything that physics can explain. Let's look at this from a different direction. Why shouldn't the protagonist be able to pass right through the event horizon of the black hole? How is the protagonist able to achieve a speed of 1 trillion times the speed of light?

[Vile Sentry]

Originally posted by GOTR Ivandrov:

Originally posted by Axius27:

If we disregard that though and go with Ivandrov's statement that the player doesn't care about normal physics, well, neither do black holes. Continuing the superman analogy, just because Superman is all powerful here doesn't mean he's invulnerable everywhere. His most consistent weakness are objects and people that are from Krypton and therefore very similar to him. Objects rooted in normal can't hurt the player, but something that also disregards normal physics, that's an equal opponent.

But, that's my whole point. Neither are rooted in physics. Everyone in this thread has treated the protagonist like an object that is rooted in physics when interacting with black holes and is therefore destined to die in the black hole. When in fact, the properties of the protagonist are unlike anything that physics can explain. Let's look at this from a different direction. Why shouldn't the protagonist be able to pass right through the event horizon of the black hole? How is the protagonist able to achieve a speed of 1 trillion times the speed of light?

Nobody here is treating the protagonist as if it is physically possible.

You keep asking why it would work that way without presenting any reason that it wouldn't.

Why do black holes kill the protagonist? Because it was written that way. Why does a green rock weaken superman? Superman can fly, shrug off bullets, and defy the laws of physics.

As for how the protagonist can go as fast or faster than light, probably because it has no mass and is not a physical presence in the world. Not really sure why that is relevant because it still doesn't contradict the idea that it can be effected by black holes.

What exactly is your issue with this exactly? It isn't like black holes are some common cheap death. I'm really not seeing why this is such a sticking point for you. It is literally the only thing in the game that can kill you as far as I can tell.

[Ivandrov]

Originally posted by DriscolDevil:

Originally posted by GOTR Ivandrov:

But, that's my whole point. Neither are rooted in physics. Everyone in this thread has treated the protagonist like an object that is rooted in physics when interacting with black holes and is therefore destined to die in the black hole. When in fact, the properties of the protagonist are unlike anything that physics can explain. Let's look at this from a different direction. Why shouldn't the protagonist be able to pass right through the event horizon of the black hole? How is the protagonist able to achieve a speed of 1 trillion times the speed of light?

Nobody here is treating the protagonist as if it is physically possible.

You keep asking why it would work that way without presenting any reason that it wouldn't.

Why do black holes kill the protagonist? Because it was written that way. Why does a green rock weaken superman? Superman can fly, shrug off bullets, and defy the laws of physics.

As for how the protagonist can go as fast or faster than light, probably because it has no mass and is not a physical presence in the world. Not really sure why that is relevant because it still doesn't contradict the idea that it can be effected by black holes.

What exactly is your issue with this exactly? It isn't like black holes are some common cheap death. I'm really not seeing why this is such a sticking point for you. It is literally the only thing in the game that can kill you as far as I can tell.

I did present a reason as to why it wouldn't. Because the characteristics we know of a black hole interacting with mass and energy are based on real world physics, something that the protagonist is not bound to. Therefore, the protagonist has no reason to care about the existence of a black hole.

If you are saying that the protagonist has no mass and no physical presence, therefore no energy, then how exactly is it supposed to interact with black hole?

I just found it kind of odd that the black hole would interact with the protagonist when, as you said, "it has no physical presence in the universe." That's it. I would just like to conjure up some relevant discussion about something I am a little confused about.

[Vile Sentry]

Originally posted by GOTR Ivandrov:

Originally posted by DriscolDevil:

Nobody here is treating the protagonist as if it is physically possible.

You keep asking why it would work that way without presenting any reason that it wouldn't.

Why do black holes kill the protagonist? Because it was written that way. Why does a green rock weaken superman? Superman can fly, shrug off bullets, and defy the laws of physics.

As for how the protagonist can go as fast or faster than light, probably because it has no mass and is not a physical presence in the world. Not really sure why that is relevant because it still doesn't contradict the idea that it can be effected by black holes.

What exactly is your issue with this exactly? It isn't like black holes are some common cheap death. I'm really not seeing why this is such a sticking point for you. It is literally the only thing in the game that can kill you as far as I can tell.

I did present a reason as to why it wouldn't. Because the characteristics we know of a black hole interacting with mass and energy are based on real world physics, something that the protagonist is not bound to. Therefore, the protagonist has no reason to care about the existence of a black hole.

If you are saying that the protagonist has no mass and no physical presence, therefore no energy, then how exactly is it supposed to interact with black hole?

I just found it kind of odd that the black hole would interact with the protagonist when, as you said, "it has no physical presence in the universe." That's it. I would just like to conjure up some relevant discussion about something I am a little confused about.

How exactly is it supposed to interact with a black hole? So you want me to explain the physics behind that?

Just so you know, light has no mass, it is still effected by black holes.

You are not presenting a reason it wouldn't work, you are just saying the protagonist doesn't abide by regular physics and then asking why black holes would kill it. Again, it's like me asking why a green rock could kill superman and then just repeating "but he can fly and lift heavy things" any time someone tries to explain it to you.

[Ivandrov]

You haven't read what I was saying. "No presence is the universe." Your words, to me mean, No Mass and no Energy. You are right, Light has no mass, it has energy and as such is affected by a Black Hole. We have established already that the protagonist has No Mass and No energy. That is exactly my reason as to why it wouldn't work. There is nothing for the Black Hole to interact with.

[Vile Sentry]

Originally posted by GOTR Ivandrov:

You haven't read what I was saying. "No presence is the universe." Your words, to me mean, No Mass and no Energy. You are right, Light has no mass, it has energy and as such is affected by a Black Hole. We have established already that the protagonist has No Mass and No energy. That is exactly my reason as to why it wouldn't work. There is nothing for the Black Hole to interact with.

How have we established that the protagonist has no energy? That was your claim, which you never explained. It clearly has energy since it is able to effect the world around it.

Stop with the "you haven't read what I said" bs. It's childish. I have read everything you said and I've been responding to what you said. Someone not agreeing with you doesn't mean they haven't heard your argument.