A 4 year journey. yet still a failure.

[rman88]

after watching this game from day 1. seeing how it evolved from sots to sots2. i got to say while i still play it from time to time. it is still a failure in my eyes. and it has yet to be considered better then the original.

now you might be asking why i consider this a failure of a game. well besides it being a complete and utter financial failure. to the point that i am surprised paradox did not shut down Kerberos Productions. but i hate to say it. it was a bad idea in the first place. you were making a game with 6 races, a new politics system, a new trade system, a new defense system, a new combat system, a new command system, and the list go on and on. they tried to stretch their workload to the point that it snapped and poked us in the eye. they released a game in alpha as a finished product. alienated all but the most die hard fans of the game. and only leaving a legacy of disappointment and spite.

but the company itself tried to garner good will. they tried to rebuild their reputations by patching the game and trying to make it playable as fast as possible. sadly the game itself was far far beyond repair. that it took nearly a years for the game to become stable enough for active play. but was that enough to fix the issues of the game? was that enough to rebuild the trust in the company? for me it was not enough for me to put my faith back into this company.

but if this ever came into question. the free expansion was the last straw. first of all it was a horrible idea to release the loa expansion for free. then again loa was a poorly thought out race to begin with. sure they can colonize every planet in the game. but they are very very slow. they need to spend massive amounts of credits. they are unable to build a decent fleet. the cube size is so small and restraining that i had to edit it the number each tech gives you. to around 10 million. the path finding is horrible. i could go on but you kinda get the point.

now what you might be asking is. how could they have avoided this. this is quite simple. they should have just focused on the 4 base races. hiver, humans, lirr, tarka, finishing those races off completely. as if you noticed a lot of those races are still missing sections on their ships. lirr for one is missing quite a lot. thou some people say that missing sections are only adding flavor. how adding nothing adds flavor is beyond my understanding. but they should have handle it how they handled the eu4 expansions. add the other races as paid dlc with new features. but as we all know they did not do this. they tried to do everything at the same time. and the game is still an unfinished mess.

[rman88]

ya i don't hate starcraft. but when your only exusee for the missing ship sections is. that this somehow makes the fractions diverse and uneake. even thou if you played the game you would realize. each fraction is about 90% the same. they all have the same base tech tree, the same base ship sections,

let me give you an example of hour a human fraction differs between the others. first of all you got the node drives. then you got the node fighters, and the node missiles. and... thats it. hears how morrigi differs. they have access to the cutter drives, they have a massive amount of drones. able to build grave boats. and thats it. how about tarka, they have access to the warp drives. and have access to battle cruisers, and thats about it. need i go on?

ps. i know their are tiny passive each race has that is never stated in game. and i dont feel like i need to point out each thing as it has little effect on gameplay.

[Desolator]

there are passives for races in this game? 0.o
never noticed it... Is there a list of them somewhere?

[rman88]

you have to look it up on the wiki. for example hivers lose more biosphere due to tearaforming compared to lirr which loses very little. thou i am not even sure if these were ever implmented... its kinda like the polticial system.

reminds me of the peacekeeper modle that is still in the game files. but never was implmented. its kinda sad as that was the only reason i kept grand menaces on.

[Kruniac Zio]

Publicado originalmente por rman88:

no i acualy have a point. what you said their proves to me that you dont. realy that dose sc2 have to do with anything. their not even the same game. sword of the stars is a franchise built more like the total war franchise. it has very little if nothing to do with the 3d top down rts.

ya if your wondering. you guys still kinda did not win any arguments. sure their are techencialy a few mods. but not enough comunity support to make a difrance. other then that you guys have no real point.

You're being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiot, and these people are too passive to outright say it.

Let's spell out exactly what's up here to avoid any further confusion...


Paradox does not own Kerberos. Paradox cannot shut down Kerberos. Paradox paid them, then refused to continue funding when Kerberos released a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game. Kerberos blames Paradox for rushing release. Paradox blames Kerberos for making a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game.

I agree with what you say about the expansion and the game being fixable, but you're talking out of your ass about the financial/political side of things.

Here's the current situation:

Paradox says they have no problem with Kerberos patching the game. They simply won't pay for it. Paradox is finished with the game.

Kerberos doesn't want to work for free, and makes up ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ excuses such as "Paradox owns the rights to the game therefore we can't work on it". This is a half-truth.

Paradox owns the rights to SOTS.

Kerberos HAS BEEN GIVEN PERMISSION TO WORK ON IT BY PARADOX.

Kerberos refuses to work on it for free, and instead releases ♥♥♥♥♥♥ mobile games. (The Pit was okay. That other game is horrible).

Those are the facts. As a game developer, I'm so frustrated with both parties in this entire situation. If people would sit down and talk about things like adults instead of being beta douchebags and ♥♥♥♥ talk in Skype meetings, things would get resolved.

As I understand it, there was a lot of smack talk on both sides behind the scenes, and things fell apart. The downside is that THIS COULD HAVE BEEN A REMARKABLE GAME. That's why we're here posting. That's why we're pissed.

I'm out.

[rman88]

so thats what it is like to see someone come in and rant about something that has nothing to do with the current event. someone who has no knowlage of what it is going on. is an immature brat as no adult would go on a rant like this. and he acts like he knows more then anyone else in this situation.

yet in reality he did not make a single valid point. specially considering that this was a dead thread.. a long dead thread. hell it only became active around a 3 weeks ago when some random person looked it up and commented on it..


thou let me do a quick rebuttal.

1 i never talked about paradox involvement. nor do i blame them for kerebos failure. it was not paradox that made them too ambitious.

2. paradox abandoned the game because it is a financial flop. and it has a reputation that pretty much on par with alien clonal marines. as they released the game in a near unplayable alpha state, their is no reason for paradox to fun a sinking ship.

3, i don't know what the rights situation is. nor did i ever talk about it.

4. why would they work on a game that will never make its money back?

5, ya i could care less if your a game developer. nor do you have anything to prove you are a said developer.

6 read the dam thread before you comment.

7 what dose my quote about star craft and a guy trying to troll me have to do with anything?

[Ciurrus]

:0 was I the troll? oh no please don't mis understand it was a legit question about starcaft 2

[rman88]

ya... who the hell are you and why should i care? i was never talking about you. someone i never seen before. and if i did well you pretty much was forgotten right away.

and i could go on a rant comparing the 2 games. and proving my point that their are only 3 things those games have that are similar. 1 its a stragey game, 2 its a sci fi game, 3 it has humans in it.

other then that their is nothing Similar to it. starcraft 2 dose not have customizable units, sots2 dose not have base building, starcraft 2 dose not have a research tree akin to civ games. and sots2 is not a 2d game. their not the same games.

its like saying mass effect and sword of the stars 2 are the same games because well their in space and they got space ships and humans. so stop pretending their the same game. its kinda a bit pathetic.

[Ciurrus]

Publicado originalmente por rman88:

well you would be the first. i know in this vary thread i had people defend the choice. using everything from "o it adds verity" to "they just don't need it" and even something as stupid as " this is the way it was intended and fits in with the lore" which i got to call ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on. as their is nothing in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ lore that states that lirr would never use War section on dreadnaughts. but for some reason will use it on battle ships.

then again i heard this game get compared to starcraft. as both games are so simujlar in so many ways. let me be honest. their is 2 things you can compare this game to starcraft. a its scfi b its a rts. its like trying to compare a cow to a brick. and saying that its the same thing.

Publicado originalmente por Ciurrioc:

Hahahaha was the comparison between Starcraft and Sots 2 supposed to be a completement?

Apparently I'm not the guy that said SC2 and SOTS were similar, and I agree that would be silly, Just didn't understand your original post (quoted there), and wow prickly much? me thinks you no longer need thread anymore lol

[rman88]

what is your point your trying to make...first of all the guy was saying the missing ship sections were adding verity. which is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and well i already pointed out the reason why it is not true.

second thats not my original post. nor is it even a post made with the person who started the argument.

third how is that even picky?

forth. if you don't like the thread, why don't you go ♥♥♥♥ off? i never said you needed to reply to everything or keep the thread alive. and hell its not even my fault were having this conversation. the only reason i am replying is that this is my thread. so unless you have a real point. why don't you just walk away. your never going to win any argument with whatever your peddling.

[Ciurrus]

Woow alright first take a breath, the posts I qouted was us having a Civil conversation, now you're arguing with....I really don't know lol you must be really confused hence me saying take a break from the thread or unsubscribe. "Prickley" is a nice way of saying ass because thats pretty much what you're being atm and I have no idea why when as I said, the posts I qouted was us having a calm and amicable conversation in which I was agreeing with you regarding the silliness of "Lore reasons" for missing ship sections


FULL STOP

Jebidiah H Christ lol, I'm pretty much a bystander here, not the one arguing or trying to make arguments with you. I personally don't have an issue with the thread, I've said my peace, I was just curious if you were referring to me as the Troll, done and done.

[rman88]

dude... why are you still talking?

[TENGU 12900k]

I enjoy this game very much and I do hope they are working on next version.

[rman88]

i enjoy it as well. sadly i don't think their will be anything coming out. to be honest it was just to ambitious of a project. and with poor time and money management they went way into the red. so far into the red that i am surprise they did not file for bankruptcy.

but as of now their is just no money to be made. and we must all realize that this is still a buisness. that and this game is kinda old. so.... ya.

[Subotai]

I only found sots1 a month before the release of sots2 and what a massive letdown buying sots 2 on day 1 was. piece of trash, the devs should be ashamed to release that garbage

[Dark_Messiah]

First of all, the release was forced by paradox, and was by no means a fault of kerberos (the devs), paradox officially apologised for it.

2, the game is still unfinished in many aspects and still crashes quite a lot (yes i did all the deleting profiles and whatnot that was recommended).

3, paradox officially abandoned support for this game (meaning, they wont finance future patches for kerberos) so kerberos has to release patches they make themselves on their own free time from their own budget.

4, it has been many years since the last major update that added something substantial to the game.

5, the hope of seeing this game finished died when paradox abandoned official support for it, and the game has only seen very few gas leaks, that sometimes even broke the game for some people.

6, according to official kerb staff, they have been "fighting paradox legally" for over 2 years now, of which i have seen no results whatsoever yet. They haven't said anything about it since, nor were there open updates either.

7, game is dead and unfinished and will remain so, unless kerb does something, which most likely wont happen.

Now dont misunderstand me, i really like this game, but there are just too many issues/missing stuff in it for me to be nearly as enjoyable as the first game is.