Is the guardian going to be free later?

[vred]

I get the premium users having their exclusive club and items but an entire class being locked forever is too much IMO

[Withywarlock]

I can only go by their past games and say "yes". Unless I've missed something. I don't think it'll be so bad when/if other classes are added, and they have their own skill trees. As I've said elsewhere the Guardian class isn't much special - their other perks steal the show.

[Neo in Wonderland]

I'd buy the package if it was under 5$

[vred]

Yeah, its not a huge deal to me and I never was much into paladin style classes but I think classes behind paywalls suck

[Withywarlock]

vred님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah, its not a huge deal to me and I never was much into paladin style classes but I think classes behind paywalls suck

I feel a similar way - I'd prefer all the locations be free to access, but I don't mind classes being paid for, even if the latter can be experienced by more people earlier on. I hate paying for expansions in games just because they add a location - I know I'll go to it at some point, but there's a lot of classes that don't interest me and yet I get those for free. Different strokes for different folks! ^^

[The Fourth Shoemaker on the left]

vred님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah, its not a huge deal to me and I never was much into paladin style classes but I think classes behind paywalls suck

You keep making this point but don't explain why...so why?

[vred]

The Fourth Shoemaker on the left님이 먼저 게시:

vred님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah, its not a huge deal to me and I never was much into paladin style classes but I think classes behind paywalls suck

You keep making this point but don't explain why...so why?

A class is core for a mmo
Premium clubhouse and some cosmetics aren't

The first is not fine to me, the other is

[Phaedros]

Guardian has always been a membership exclusive thing with AQ, so that will not change.

Currently you get a "Founder's Pack" type deal with DCs, but I can see Guardian going down to $10 eventually (without the $25 worth of DCs.)

Guardian as a class is not required to play the game, it is great for soloing and tanking, but honestly, $20 isn't that much to support the game. I personally got to level 15 first then decided I wanted to support the game, so at that point I chose to buy Guardian.

[The Fourth Shoemaker on the left]

vred님이 먼저 게시:

The Fourth Shoemaker on the left님이 먼저 게시:

You keep making this point but don't explain why...so why?

A class is core for a mmo
Premium clubhouse and some cosmetics aren't

The first is not fine to me, the other is

Maybe it's just me but i think you are being vague with your answers.

"A class is core for a mmo" yes it is, but why are you agaisnt a company selling one class as premium content? Has it broken the game somehow?

[vred]

The Fourth Shoemaker on the left님이 먼저 게시:

vred님이 먼저 게시:

A class is core for a mmo
Premium clubhouse and some cosmetics aren't

The first is not fine to me, the other is

Maybe it's just me but i think you are being vague with your answers.

"A class is core for a mmo" yes it is, but why are you agaisnt a company selling one class as premium content? Has it broken the game somehow?

To me, yes. It seems to tank way more than warrior but I can't be sure since I dont have the class

[The Fourth Shoemaker on the left]

A class being able to tank sligthly more than another class isn't really an issue i would consider as broken. If we are going to split hairs like that then Warrior with it's spin to win is broken & Mage with it's ridiculous attack range & run to win is also broken.The best classes in the game at the moment are all free.

If AE want to offer premiun content a class. a mount. a transformation..whatever as long as that item isn't OP i don't really see a problem, they are a business bills need to be paided.

[NimrodAbsolution⁧⁧98]

The Fourth Shoemaker on the left님이 먼저 게시:

they are a business bills need to be paided.

Which they can easily do without limiting the gameplay experience of a freemium player via cosmetic microtransactions

[Withywarlock]

The Fourth Shoemaker on the left님이 먼저 게시:

A class being able to tank sligthly more than another class isn't really an issue i would consider as broken. If we are going to split hairs like that then Warrior with it's spin to win is broken & Mage with it's ridiculous attack range & run to win is also broken.The best classes in the game at the moment are all free.

If AE want to offer premiun content a class. a mount. a transformation..whatever as long as that item isn't OP i don't really see a problem, they are a business bills need to be paided.

I've agreed with you both until this point, although my gripe is a minor one.

I'll begin by saying the Guardian tanks better *in theory*. When the ability that redirects enemies toward said Guardian doesn't bug out, it can be useful. Currently though, Tanking isn't effective until there's a healer and DPS that can bring down enemies in a decent enough time (I'm talking about packs here; the individual power of mobs is fine 1v1.... 1 player v 3 mobs not so much imo). As much as I hate the Holy Trinity, I feel it's a necessary evil.

But back to Shoemaker's point: I feel that if any class is "Overpowered" it would be the Tank, because of their self-heal and ability to taunt. In a game that desperately needs that, hiding it behind a paywall isn't a good idea unless there's other alternatives. Sure, the Mage can be argued as being "OP" because it has range or guns down things faster, but it's a DPSer with faults. The Guardian isn't so much badly balanced as broken. The Warrior's whirlwind is "OP" in one zone. Of course there'll be at least one instance where the ability is awesome, but Warriors can't handle what they pull if they manage to get multiple mobs in their AoE ability.

In my opinion games like WoW get away with that (barely) because they're already packed with content, and the class comes with new zones, weapons, armour, raids, dungeons, quests, etc. AQ3D is in desperate need of classes, abilities, talent trees, healing, optimised defence and other stats and all of those things being balanced. The Guardian being free wouldn't harm anyone, as in a F2P game you have the advantage of no entry fee - you can charge for cosmetics, mounts and boosts all you like, and they'll be things you can buy repeatedly for regular income. ^^

[Phaedros]

Again, the only reason Guardian is behind a paywall is because it is for supporters of the game, as it has always been in other Artix Entertainment games. It's not OP or broken, it has one specialty that is fluffy to the nature of the class, and there will be more classes that can effectively tank in the future, and will perhaps be better at it (Dragon Slayer is coming). At this time currently however, it just looks like BS to narrow-minded whingers.

The game is still incredibly young, and imo, the 'Open Beta' was slapped on a bit too hastily as the game still feels like a very polished Open Alpha, with my reasons being that many fundamental features are not implemented and unrefined.

If there are no tanking classes when AE has confirmed the game will be 'released' then you will have a legitimate reason to complain.

Beta is beta.

[The Fourth Shoemaker on the left]

Christian bale님이 먼저 게시:

The Fourth Shoemaker on the left님이 먼저 게시:

they are a business bills need to be paided.

Which they can easily do without limiting the gameplay experience of a freemium player via cosmetic microtransactions

Every item & area in AQ3D with the the exception of Guardian package is free, completely & utterly free. Trying to use the arguement of "limiting the gameplay experience" i'm sorry it's just ridiculous.
I have met many players who have put a considerable amount of time into AQ3D who either don't own the Guardian package or have never heard of it, these players love the game & still play it daily. These players also have the realisation that AE needs to make money & that sometimes they will do this by offering exclusive items to the players who want to support the game.

Fistfantastic님이 먼저 게시:

I feel that if any class is "Overpowered" it would be the Tank, because of their self-heal and ability to taunt. In a game that desperately needs that, hiding it behind a paywall isn't a good idea unless there's other alternatives. Sure, the Mage can be argued as being "OP" because it has range or guns down things faster, but it's a DPSer with faults. The Guardian isn't so much badly balanced as broken. The Warrior's whirlwind is "OP" in one zone. Of course there'll be at least one instance where the ability is awesome, but Warriors can't handle what they pull if they manage to get multiple mobs in their AoE ability.

In my opinion games like WoW get away with that (barely) because they're already packed with content, and the class comes with new zones, weapons, armour, raids, dungeons, quests, etc. AQ3D is in desperate need of classes, abilities, talent trees, healing, optimised defence and other stats and all of those things being balanced. The Guardian being free wouldn't harm anyone, as in a F2P game you have the advantage of no entry fee - you can charge for cosmetics, mounts and boosts all you like, and they'll be things you can buy repeatedly for regular income. ^^

Compared to the other classes in AQ3D Guardian Class is not OP it really isn't, a Warrior with the right items can destroy packs much quicker than a Guardian can, A Mage who knows how to kite effectively can solo any boss ingame, if they do it right they also don't need to use any potions.
It doesn't give the player any Godlike abilities, it doesn't give it's user any real advantage over other players & it doesn't stop others from playing the game.
The Guardian package is nothing more than a nice reward for players who want to support the game.

Regarding WoW...soz but i started tuning out at that point, i don't really think it's fair or reasonable to compare a game that has over 10years of developement & 100+ Million Dollar budget to a game in Early Access, WoW being a pay 2 play game also makes it a bad comparrison to make.

"AQ3D is in desperate need of classes, abilities, talent trees, healing, optimised defence and other stats and all of those things being balanced."
I agree with this although i wouldn't go as far as saying desperate, these thing are coming we know this & how AE have tweaked/changed/balanced the game since Alpha i'm confident they will deliver :)

"The Guardian being free wouldn't harm anyone"
Guardian being premium isn't harming anybody.

Phaedros님이 먼저 게시:

Again, the only reason Guardian is behind a paywall is because it is for supporters of the game, as it has always been in other Artix Entertainment games. It's not OP or broken, it has one specialty that is fluffy to the nature of the class

:)

AE have a long history of rewarding or if you like showing their appreciation to the players that support their games, the support these players show not only let's AE continue to make games but it also lets thousands of free players play these games without ever spending a single penny on the game.
Thats what the Guardian package is a few cosmetics & an average class, something nice for the players who want to support AQ3D.

[Withywarlock]

Some fair points have been made. My only real problem with the Guardian is one ability becomes less and less useful to the point where it's wasteful the more you level up, and another fails to actually work a good amount of the time (the heal and taunt, respectively). This doesn't help their case, hence why I don't think it would hurt being free, considering you're paying for an inferior class (Shoemaker's points on the Mage and Warrior only cement how little demand there would be for a Guardian - having them around for a novelty could hamper a dungeon when there's better and more fun choices to make). In my opinion the Guardian doesn't fill any niche or scratch any itch - whatever the other classes do, the Guardian does less of. Tanking *could* be its thing, but doesn't really do enough to be that. The thing is, if these issues were fixed, or at least the Taunt, I'd be totally fine with the Guardian being a paid class!

I'll concede on the point where it's to support the developers, that's fine, but AE also have to accept that some people don't care if they're supporting the company especially when they had the opportunity to do so with the Kickstarter campaign; they just want a good class to play. Then again, having the option to pay for this package is great for those who wanted to but missed the chance (like myself). The Guardian Tower, armour and mount are what I consider the fluff part, given how they benefit no-one and exist for bragging rights (which work, by the way). I'm not exactly jealous when I saw a Guardian before I bought the pack, but the Dragon Armour? Grrrrr I wannit!

And again, the devs can be supported in other ways than locking a class behind a paywall. The fact this discussion has gone on as long as it has shows that people don't mind paying (see the bag space issue) for things in a F2P game, but a class may be too much. ^^

EDIT: Apologies if my defence is somewhat on the rabid side. I've got some air and feel a lot more forgiving about the game. I'll still criticise it, but I don't feel as fervent to defend my stance on its practices. ^^