Victoria II

Victoria II

alex Apr 7, 2021 @ 12:48pm
How do I make more of my upper house reactionary?
I have Prussian-Constitutionalism and my ruling party is conservative. The only people who can vote are the upper class but only 16% are reactionary. How can I increase the support for reactionary? I've been promoting capitalists a lot but should I promote aristocrats instead?
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Lembley42 Apr 7, 2021 @ 1:16pm 
Capitalists are naturally Liberal, with Aristocrats being Reactionary (no idea how you thought to promote Capitalists for Reactionary).

However, you will not make Majority of your population to idle good-for-nothing Aristocrats.
Your National Focus is also too powerful for other things (getting Clergymen, Bureaucrats, and then Craftsmen/Soldiers) than to waste it like this.

Simple answer is, you cannot make Reactionary a majority support of your people.
The game pushes you away from it, as the world industrializes and new ideas like Equality and Freedom spread.

As you are a Monarchy however, you can appoint political parties at will. Just go to Politics, select your party and choose a Reactionary party. This will upset some people though, but it is best to pick parties with the "right" mix of ideas.
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a.k.a DMDonahue Apr 7, 2021 @ 1:35pm 
Originally posted by Lembley42:
Capitalists are naturally Liberal, with Aristocrats being Reactionary (no idea how you thought to promote Capitalists for Reactionary).

However, you will not make Majority of your population to idle good-for-nothing Aristocrats.
Your National Focus is also too powerful for other things (getting Clergymen, Bureaucrats, and then Craftsmen/Soldiers) than to waste it like this.

Simple answer is, you cannot make Reactionary a majority support of your people.
The game pushes you away from it, as the world industrializes and new ideas like Equality and Freedom spread.

As you are a Monarchy however, you can appoint political parties at will. Just go to Politics, select your party and choose a Reactionary party. This will upset some people though, but it is best to pick parties with the "right" mix of ideas.
Also you can keep influencing elections in the favor of whatever party you want in charge, if that party is reactionary their ideology will start to change to fit that
alex Apr 7, 2021 @ 1:44pm 
Originally posted by Lembley42:
Capitalists are naturally Liberal, with Aristocrats being Reactionary (no idea how you thought to promote Capitalists for Reactionary).

However, you will not make Majority of your population to idle good-for-nothing Aristocrats.
Your National Focus is also too powerful for other things (getting Clergymen, Bureaucrats, and then Craftsmen/Soldiers) than to waste it like this.

Simple answer is, you cannot make Reactionary a majority support of your people.
The game pushes you away from it, as the world industrializes and new ideas like Equality and Freedom spread.

As you are a Monarchy however, you can appoint political parties at will. Just go to Politics, select your party and choose a Reactionary party. This will upset some people though, but it is best to pick parties with the "right" mix of ideas.

Alright thank you!

I do know capitalists aren't reactionary but since I was promoting them for so long I thought I should replace them with aristocrats for more reactionary support. But if aristocrats are useless I wont bother with them.

Will picking the party myself cause major problems or is it not a big deal?
Lembley42 Apr 7, 2021 @ 1:48pm 
It is not a big deal. Some militancy, but it wont cause any rebellion if there wasnt any coming to begin with
Last edited by Lembley42; Apr 7, 2021 @ 1:49pm
a.k.a DMDonahue Apr 7, 2021 @ 6:20pm 
Originally posted by Alex:
Originally posted by Lembley42:
Capitalists are naturally Liberal, with Aristocrats being Reactionary (no idea how you thought to promote Capitalists for Reactionary).

However, you will not make Majority of your population to idle good-for-nothing Aristocrats.
Your National Focus is also too powerful for other things (getting Clergymen, Bureaucrats, and then Craftsmen/Soldiers) than to waste it like this.

Simple answer is, you cannot make Reactionary a majority support of your people.
The game pushes you away from it, as the world industrializes and new ideas like Equality and Freedom spread.

As you are a Monarchy however, you can appoint political parties at will. Just go to Politics, select your party and choose a Reactionary party. This will upset some people though, but it is best to pick parties with the "right" mix of ideas.

Alright thank you!

I do know capitalists aren't reactionary but since I was promoting them for so long I thought I should replace them with aristocrats for more reactionary support. But if aristocrats are useless I wont bother with them.

Will picking the party myself cause major problems or is it not a big deal?
another issue i just saw, DON'T PROMOTE CAPITALISTS
alex Apr 7, 2021 @ 6:36pm 
Originally posted by a.k.a DMDonahue:
Originally posted by Alex:

Alright thank you!

I do know capitalists aren't reactionary but since I was promoting them for so long I thought I should replace them with aristocrats for more reactionary support. But if aristocrats are useless I wont bother with them.

Will picking the party myself cause major problems or is it not a big deal?
another issue i just saw, DON'T PROMOTE CAPITALISTS

Why not? I'm still super new so sorry if this is a dumb question but it seem like a good idea so more people are investing in factories and railroads.
a.k.a DMDonahue Apr 7, 2021 @ 8:52pm 
Originally posted by Alex:
Originally posted by a.k.a DMDonahue:
another issue i just saw, DON'T PROMOTE CAPITALISTS

Why not? I'm still super new so sorry if this is a dumb question but it seem like a good idea so more people are investing in factories and railroads.
You will have the same interest in building more projects with 1 capitalist as if you had 100,000. National focuses are valuable and encouraging capitalists not only increases your consciousness due to being liberal but also takes away your valuable clerk and clergy population. On top of that the more capitalists you have the more life needs they have and less overall money.


Lembley42 Apr 8, 2021 @ 5:44am 
Originally posted by Alex:
Originally posted by a.k.a DMDonahue:
another issue i just saw, DON'T PROMOTE CAPITALISTS

Why not? I'm still super new so sorry if this is a dumb question but it seem like a good idea so more people are investing in factories and railroads.
Use national focus (in that order) for:

1) Encourage Clergymen to 2% nation population (or if you are playing a lower literacy like Russia, Austria, Spain, Japan, etc) nation push to 3-4%)

2) Encourage Bureaucrats in your main core states to roughly 1%

3) Encourage Soldiers or Craftsmen to the end of game

Everything else is either awful, useless or not working.

Keep in mind:
Clergy max out at 4% and Soldiers max out at 5%. If you're getting close to the maximum, put the National Focus down.

You want Clergymen in your most populated regions dispered to at least 2%, so that will educate the majority of your people. More clergy = More Literacy = More Research & More people becoming Craftsmen&Clerks to work in factories

Use your National Focus on your most populated regions (it's 1000x more effective to have it on a province with 1.000.000 people compared to a region with 1.000)


Also: Have your Education and Soldier budget always at 100%. Administrative spending to 100% as well, until you get to 100% Administrative Efficiency, at that point you can reduce it to 30%.
Last edited by Lembley42; Apr 8, 2021 @ 5:46am
alex Apr 8, 2021 @ 11:24am 
Thanks for the help guys! I'll keep all this in mind when I play again!
AN Apr 9, 2021 @ 1:16am 
You don't want to encourage capitalists in places like Prussia or the US, where they already exist, but when you have to industrialize from the ground up you often do want to encourage them a little in each appropriate state. A certain amount of factory profit can only go to capitalists, and if they aren't there to collect, that money goes poof and can cause economic issues, especially in the long run.
a.k.a DMDonahue Apr 9, 2021 @ 10:23am 
No
AN Apr 10, 2021 @ 2:33pm 
Yes, you want at least one capitalist per industrialized state, this might require a short time encouraging capitalists. It's more important to get clergy and craftsmen first, but it's not a flat refusal like encouraging artisans.
a.k.a DMDonahue Apr 10, 2021 @ 10:14pm 
Originally posted by AN:
Yes, you want at least one capitalist per industrialized state, this might require a short time encouraging capitalists. It's more important to get clergy and craftsmen first, but it's not a flat refusal like encouraging artisans.
no, you need 1 total not one per state you will next to never need to encourage caps unless you go from unciv
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