From republic to monarchy

[Craimax Black]

I'm playing as Brasil,the republic,and is very nice but i would like to put a monarchy as the old times,and in a legal way,i know the cheat for that but i want to do it right,but i have absolutly no idea how,so is possible to pass from a republic to a monarchy? and how?

[Hat8]

Its gotta be done through events or rebels.

Revoking reforms will just lead to a presidential dictatorship.

[Craimax Black]

Originally posted by 786543:

Its gotta be done through events or rebels.

Revoking reforms will just lead to a presidential dictatorship.

But whicht events or what kind of rebellion? And how do I get those event? I know that in a country that was a monarchy are rebels who want the monarchy back,like the russian empire,but in a country that never was a monarchy,at least in game,don't have that rebels

[Das some shit]

Depends on what type of Monarchy you're seeking to establish.

This should help.
https://vic2.paradoxwikis.com/Government_types

[Das some shit]

I've changed government without use of rebels, events, or cheats. It can be done. Influencing specific parties through focus points in a given area would be the way to achieve this. Keep in mind different parties have different views on government. Conservatives are your best bet, so hopefully you have a solid conservative party. I don't remember if Brazil has a solid conservative party to start with, but sacrifices must be made if you want to achieve this.

Reactionaries and Liberals have varying results. Reactionaries almost always go towards Presidential dictatorships, whereas liberals could be utilized along side conservatives to create a transitional monarchy, such as HM or Prussian Constitutionalism.

Good luck.

[what am i doing]

You cannot become a monarchy from any non-monarchy form of government without rebels. The event, whether the vanilla ones from rolling back to no voting rights or the HPM ones from having sufficient militancy and active ruling party, will change democracy only into various republican forms of dictatorship ie Presidential, Fascist, Communist, or Bourgeois. Not to a monarchy of any kind.

[Das some shit]

Originally posted by what am i doing:

You cannot become a monarchy from any non-monarchy form of government without rebels. The event, whether the vanilla ones from rolling back to no voting rights or the HPM ones from having sufficient militancy and active ruling party, will change democracy only into various republican forms of dictatorship ie Presidential, Fascist, Communist, or Bourgeois. Not to a monarchy of any kind.

No you can, it's just more difficult. It's a matter of upper-house manipulation. I'm not going to argue about it either. If the guy who originally posted this wants to follow my advice, fine. Otherwise he can use rebellions, events, or cheating.

[Hat8]

Originally posted by Idon'tthinkUhaveNuffFirepower:

Originally posted by what am i doing:

You cannot become a monarchy from any non-monarchy form of government without rebels. The event, whether the vanilla ones from rolling back to no voting rights or the HPM ones from having sufficient militancy and active ruling party, will change democracy only into various republican forms of dictatorship ie Presidential, Fascist, Communist, or Bourgeois. Not to a monarchy of any kind.

No you can, it's just more difficult. It's a matter of upper-house manipulation. I'm not going to argue about it either. If the guy who originally posted this wants to follow my advice, fine. Otherwise he can use rebellions, events, or cheating.

Or just use a mod that makes that a feature.

Some mods even have historical monarchist movements and events.

Vanilla doesn't really have a monarchist event for Brazil but France does.

[Das some shit]

It's not specific to Brazil, and yes I understand the use of modding. But it doesn't seem like he wanted that option. I forget what folder it's under, but you can locate events that aren't country specific. But again, he didn't want to cheat it seems.

So his options stand at rebellion or focus points. Rebellion is easier, but he might as well do it early on so it doesn't destroy his countries development.

[what am i doing]

Originally posted by Caxap (streamingSomeCasualshit):

No you can

Just to make it clear that you are completely wrong, this is straight from the file that handles non-rebellion government type changes.

country_event = {
id = 60000
title = "EVTNAME60000"
desc = "EVTDESC60000"
picture = "Unite"

trigger = {
NOT = {
government = proletarian_dictatorship
government = presidential_dictatorship
government = bourgeois_dictatorship
government = fascist_dictatorship
government = absolute_monarchy
}
civilized = yes
political_parties = underground_parties
vote_franschise = none_voting
upper_house_composition = party_appointed
ruling_party_ideology = communist
}

mean_time_to_happen = {
months = 1
}

option = {
name = "EVTOPTA60000"
government = proletarian_dictatorship
}
}

country_event = {
id = 60010
title = "EVTNAME60010"
desc = "EVTDESC60010"
picture = "Unite"

trigger = {
NOT = {
government = proletarian_dictatorship
government = presidential_dictatorship
government = bourgeois_dictatorship
government = fascist_dictatorship
government = absolute_monarchy
}
civilized = yes
political_parties = underground_parties
vote_franschise = none_voting
upper_house_composition = party_appointed
ruling_party_ideology = reactionary
}

mean_time_to_happen = {
months = 1
}

option = {
name = "EVTOPTA60010"
government = presidential_dictatorship
}
}

country_event = {
id = 60020
title = "EVTNAME60020"
desc = "EVTDESC60020"
picture = "Unite"

trigger = {
NOT = {
government = proletarian_dictatorship
government = presidential_dictatorship
government = bourgeois_dictatorship
government = fascist_dictatorship
government = absolute_monarchy
}
civilized = yes
political_parties = underground_parties
vote_franschise = none_voting
upper_house_composition = party_appointed
ruling_party_ideology = anarcho_liberal
}

mean_time_to_happen = {
months = 1
}

option = {
name = "EVTOPTA60020"
government = bourgeois_dictatorship
}
}

country_event = {
id = 60030
title = "EVTNAME60030"
desc = "EVTDESC60030"
picture = "Unite"

trigger = {
NOT = {
government = proletarian_dictatorship
government = presidential_dictatorship
government = bourgeois_dictatorship
government = fascist_dictatorship
government = absolute_monarchy
}
civilized = yes
political_parties = underground_parties
vote_franschise = none_voting
upper_house_composition = party_appointed
ruling_party_ideology = fascist
}

mean_time_to_happen = {
months = 1
}

option = {
name = "EVTOPTA60030"
government = fascist_dictatorship
}
}

country_event = {
id = 60050
title = "EVTNAME60050"
desc = "EVTDESC60050"
picture = "Unite"

trigger = {
OR = {
government = proletarian_dictatorship
government = presidential_dictatorship
government = bourgeois_dictatorship
government = fascist_dictatorship
}
civilized = yes
NOT = {
political_parties = underground_parties
vote_franschise = none_voting
upper_house_composition = party_appointed
}
}

mean_time_to_happen = {
months = 1
}

option = {
name = "EVTOPTA60050"
government = democracy
}
}

country_event = {
id = 60040
title = "EVTNAME60040"
desc = "EVTDESC60040"
picture = "Monarchy"

trigger = {
OR = {
government = hms_government
government = prussian_constitutionalism
}
civilized = yes
NOT = { ruling_party_ideology = fascist }
NOT = { ruling_party_ideology = anarcho_liberal }
NOT = { ruling_party_ideology = communist }
vote_franschise = none_voting
}

mean_time_to_happen = {
months = 1
}

option = {
name = "EVTOPTA60040"
government = absolute_monarchy
}
}

country_event = {
id = 60060
title = "EVTNAME60060"
desc = "EVTDESC60060"
picture = "Monarchy"

trigger = {
government = absolute_monarchy
NOT = {
vote_franschise = none_voting
}
civilized = yes
}

mean_time_to_happen = {
months = 1
}

option = {
name = "EVTNAME60060"
government = prussian_constitutionalism
}
}

country_event = {
id = 60070
title = "EVTNAME60070"
desc = "EVTDESC60070"
picture = "Monarchy"

trigger = {
government = prussian_constitutionalism
OR = {
political_parties = secret_ballots
political_parties = non_secret_ballots
}
civilized = yes
}

mean_time_to_happen = {
months = 1
}

option = {
name = "EVTOPTA60070"
government = hms_government
}
}

country_event = {
id = 60080
title = "EVTNAME60080"
desc = "EVTDESC60080"
picture = "Administration"

trigger = {
government = democracy
vote_franschise = none_voting
OR = {
ruling_party_ideology = conservative
ruling_party_ideology = reactionary
}
civilized = yes
}

mean_time_to_happen = {
months = 1
}

option = {
name = "EVTOPTA60080"
government = presidential_dictatorship
}
}

country_event = {
id = 60090
title = "EVTNAME60080"
desc = "EVTDESC60080"
picture = "Administration"

trigger = {
government = democracy
vote_franschise = none_voting
OR = {
ruling_party_ideology = liberal
ruling_party_ideology = anarcho_liberal
}
civilized = yes
}

mean_time_to_happen = {
months = 1
}

option = {
name = "EVTOPTA60080"
government = bourgeois_dictatorship
}
}

country_event = {
id = 60100
title = "EVTNAME60080"
desc = "EVTDESC60080"
picture = "Administration"

trigger = {
government = democracy
vote_franschise = none_voting
OR = {
ruling_party_ideology = socialist
ruling_party_ideology = communist
}
civilized = yes
}

mean_time_to_happen = {
months = 1
}

option = {
name = "EVTOPTA60080"
government = proletarian_dictatorship
}
}

country_event = {
id = 60110
title = "EVTNAME60080"
desc = "EVTDESC60080"
picture = "Administration"

trigger = {
government = democracy
vote_franschise = none_voting
ruling_party_ideology = fascist
civilized = yes
}

mean_time_to_happen = {
months = 1
}

option = {
name = "EVTOPTA60080"
government = fascist_dictatorship
}
}

# Annex SoIs
country_event = {
id = 60120
title = "EVTNAME60120"
desc = "EVTDESC60120"
picture = "greatpowers"

trigger = {
ai = yes
war = no
part_of_sphere = yes
sphere_owner = {
is_greater_power = yes
is_culture_group = THIS
is_cultural_union = yes
war = no
}
NOT = {
AND = {
OR = {
tag = AUS
tag = KUK
}
sphere_owner = {
tag = GER
}
NOT = {
exists = HUN
}
}
}
NOT = {
tag = ISR
}
}

mean_time_to_happen = {
months = 12
}

option = {
name = "EVTOPTA60120"
sphere_owner = {
country_event = { id=60130 days=0 }
}
}
}

# Get them Annexed
country_event = {
id = 60130
title = "EVTNAME60130"
desc = "EVTDESC60130"
picture = "greatpowers"

is_triggered_only = yes

option = {
name = "EVTOPTA60130"
prestige = 5
inherit = FROM
}

option = {
name = "EVTOPTB60130"
any_pop = {
militancy = 0.1
}
}
}

country_event = {
id = 60140
title = "EVTNAME60140"
desc = "EVTDESC60140"
picture = "Administration"

trigger = {
upper_house_composition = party_appointed
ruling_party_ideology = liberal
}

mean_time_to_happen = {
months = 1
}

option = {
name = "EVTOPTA60140"
political_reform = appointed
}
}

country_event = {
id = 60150
title = "EVTNAME60150"
desc = "EVTDESC60150"
picture = "Unite"

trigger = {
has_country_modifier = female_suffrage
NOT = {
OR = {
vote_franschise = universal_weighted_voting
vote_franschise = universal_voting
}
}
}

mean_time_to_happen = {
months = 1
}

option = {
name = "EVTOPTA60150"
remove_country_modifier = female_suffrage
}
}

[Das some shit]

Made it easier on myself, didn't want to waste all my time finding out the exact way to do it properly.

Used two cheats for this, and doing this without cheats is not unrealistic.

First cheat is event 18070 which changes government to appointed only.

Second was Upperhouse which forces an immediate reelection. (not really needed, just speedier)

I tried doing this normally, but I really didn't want to waste my time. It's probably not as difficult as forming Byzantium, but it's definitely tricky.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/BrandNewUrl/screenshot/981128226904160033

Like I said, I didn't want to argue with you. But you forced my hand. He has 3 options, cheat, rebellion, or upperhouse. Pick one.

Edit:

Originally posted by what am i doing:

Originally posted by Caxap:

No you can

Just to make it clear that you are completely wrong, this is straight from the file that handles non-rebellion government type changes.

Am I though? To direct attention to your name, nothing useful.

[Das some shit]

One last little note about rebellion if you so choose, you'll need to allow them to take the capital twice. First will set you into a presidential dictatorship, the second will instate the Monarchy. Good luck to you.

[what am i doing]

Originally posted by Caxap:

Am I though?

Yes. Look at the events I've shown you. None of them turns you from Democracy or any Dictatorship to any kind of Monarchy. It only works with rebels. You can get Appointed Only, but this will not turn you to a monarchy. It will turn you to a Presidential Dictatorship. Look at the file contents I posted, those are straight from the game.

You need rebels to do it, or cheating through the console as you've done above. If you think there is an event that turns you from a non-monarchy into a monarchy without rebels, and that will fire on its own without activating it through the console, then post the event ID.

[Das some shit]

The original post was about turning Brazil from a republic to a monarchy, no republic exists. So I excused that, and just simply assumed he meant the starting government.