How to ally with Austria as Prussia?

[Sonnenritter]

Hi, I'm playing Victoria II since 17h and I restarted it a few times, because I want to create the German Empire, but Austria didn't Stop to sphere the countries i need. Is there any way to stop this?

And is there any way to ally as Prussia with GB, Russia, Austria?


Sorry for spelling mistakes.

Greetings

[Lembley42]

First : Each Great Power can only be allied to another GP until the invention of "Great Wars" (~1870-1880).
You should be able to ally with the UK early on - but they're fairly useless. They are impressive in size and all, but the AI cannot really make use of transport and just sends a random 30k stack to Europe when in war every while. Russia usually allies France right away in my experience. Also Russia is fairly ♥♥♥♥.

Austria usually "forgets" to ban you in Saxony after a little bit. Just keep on trying.
Similiarly after this with the rest of the southern States. In the meantime just grab Hannover, Holstein (for North German Federation) and useful spheres to grab for your economy (Manchuria, Qinghai, Two Sicilies, ...).

You can also declare war on Austria - for this an alliance with the Ottomans can be useful, just to give the austrian armies yet another target.
You can make them give you sphere - or even force them down as Secondary Power by occupying them for a longer time, refusing to peace out, while you gain Alsaice-Lorraine from France. As soon Austria drops to 2ndary power, you add "Add to sphere" as a wargoal, peace out, form Germany and inherit all of Austria with it :P (-> Großdeutschland, Greater Germany).

Just form good armies (~6 Infantry, 5 Artillery, 1 Husar, 1 Engineer is ideal early on - do not skimp low on artillery!), pick your battles in good terrain (e.g. dont fight over rivers / into mountains etc.) and make good use of any military geniuses your army has to offer in terms of generals - then you dont need any allies in Singleplayer ;)
And dont be afraid to push taxes & tarrifs up high.

If you go to "Form Alliance" and hover over the "?", it'll tell you what influenced their decision btw.

[Sonnenritter]

Originally posted by Lembley42:

First : Each Great Power can only be allied to another GP until the invention of "Great Wars" (~1870-1880).
You should be able to ally with the UK early on - but they're fairly useless. They are impressive in size and all, but the AI cannot really make use of transport and just sends a random 30k stack to Europe when in war every while. Russia usually allies France right away in my experience. Also Russia is fairly ♥♥♥♥.

Austria usually "forgets" to ban you in Saxony after a little bit. Just keep on trying.
Similiarly after this with the rest of the southern States. In the meantime just grab Hannover, Holstein (for North German Federation) and useful spheres to grab for your economy (Manchuria, Qinghai, Two Sicilies, ...).

You can also declare war on Austria - for this an alliance with the Ottomans can be useful, just to give the austrian armies yet another target.
You can make them give you sphere - or even force them down as Secondary Power by occupying them for a longer time, refusing to peace out, while you gain Alsaice-Lorraine from France. As soon Austria drops to 2ndary power, you add "Add to sphere" as a wargoal, peace out, form Germany and inherit all of Austria with it :P (-> Großdeutschland, Greater Germany).

Just form good armies (~6 Infantry, 5 Artillery, 1 Husar, 1 Engineer is ideal early on - do not skimp low on artillery!), pick your battles in good terrain (e.g. dont fight over rivers / into mountains etc.) and make good use of any military geniuses your army has to offer in terms of generals - then you dont need any allies in Singleplayer ;)
And dont be afraid to push taxes & tarrifs up high.

If you go to "Form Alliance" and hover over the "?", it'll tell you what influenced their decision btw.

Wow, thank you :D
I never thought about aspects like the Terrain for battles!
I'm pretty sure that I can try it again now: )

[Sonnenritter]

Originally posted by Italia Muscolo:

Empire of Shish will take care of your needs

I hope so :D

[Varainger]

If possible, you can also try another route.

It consists of allying the the Netherlands and helping its war on Belgium (if its going to happen which is hard to say, happend to me by accident admittedly).
It annexed Belgium then (in my last game).

During that war, Austria declared war on me and after winning the Netherlands war in a Blitzkrieg style (before allied armies an do much), i won the war against Austria with a
Humilate and take spherling CB for Saxony. A year later Netherlands took the place off Austria , Austria dropped to secondary power, i sphered them, tada, Greater Germany.

..and the bonus of Belgium being out of Frances sphere and you being allied to another at least capable GP and sulphur being on the world market and not sphered by England or France.

That all, as i said, IF possible...
Just my 2cents.

[Lembley42]

You might as well just kill Netherlands for Java tho - they are, if at all, allied to Spain and they fall apart without you doing anything. Java is like the majority of dutch pops and has 1/3 of all sulphur in the world - very useful! They surrender it if you occupy their mainland, no need to sail or abything. Then you just kill Austria the old-fashioned way. I found Ottomans, as I remarked already, actually pretty useful. I think its because most Austrian Armies are in the south, and the AI just sends them go the closest.

[Menetil]

Ally France > declare war on Austria for Bohemia and Moravia ( core regions in terms of populations) repeat this and sphere the german miniors later.

Easy easy,

[Lembley42]

If he wants Austrian lands, its best to just do what I said and form Greater Germany by ~1842 easily.
The only problem then is, that the game is over pretty much as you are unopposable by the AI.