Falcon 5.0 Confirmed!

[B-21 Raider]

After reacquiring the rights, Microprose have confirmed they are laying the groundwork for Falcon 5.0.
Until more info becomes available just don't ask for a release date :)

[Nats]

Messaggio originale di flagyl2:

But scripted campaigns DO cut it.

The majority of sims today have scripted campaigns.

I do hope that they have a dynamic campaign, but it appears to be difficult.

If they offer better opponent AI, based on human like behavior, for example, that would be something DCS does not really offer.

I want a dynamic campaign, but let's not act as if it is the only thing standing between F5 and success.

I can enjoy a semi dynamic campaign perfectly well - such like the campaigns in Tornado where it is fairly scripted but dynamic enough to cope with changes such as targets being altered depending on the players success. Or a branching campaign where mission type is selected from a set of missions based on prior player actions and then the actual mission is then procedurally generated so they are never the same.

[Titan II]

F5 without a dynamic campaign would just be another DCS add-on. :-)

Falcon's dynamic campaign is what set it apart from practically every other combat flight sim of its era. I can say that as I was flying pretty much all of the upper end combat sims at the time.

I think one of the reasons you see so many combat flight sims with scripted campaigns and even non-flight combat sims with them these days, is that it's easier to develop and get them out the door faster. With almost all combat titles these days being geared towards MMO, I'm not sure the motivation is there to create something with the depth to it like F4 had. While test flying F4 about 99% of what we were doing is perfecting the dynamic campaign for most of it's last year.

There was an article written several years back about Falcon, well after the final official version. It was talking about the campaign and how we might not ever see that level again because it was just so hard to do and doubting any one would ever attempt it another time. It's a bit like comparing our ability to go from putting the first man in space to landing on the moon in less than ten years, but not being able to do it again for several decades and with far more advanced tech available.

Believe me I am really happy to hear they are bringing back Falcon. IMO F4 was and still is the gold standard of any combat flight sim of the over 60 combat flightsims I've flown since the early 90's.

[Nats]

Messaggio originale di Titan II:

I think one of the reasons you see so many combat flight sims with scripted campaigns and even non-flight combat sims with them these days, is that it's easier to develop and get them out the door faster.

Its called doing things cheaply. Its why dcs has never had one. And every other sim over the last 25 years.

[PegasusJF]

I hope the F22 is included, one game I dearly miss is Total Air War.

[Nats]

Messaggio originale di PegasusJF:

I hope the F22 is included, one game I dearly miss is Total Air War.

You can download F22 TAW and a mod to make it play on modern hardware. I tried it out the other day.

[Primus]

Without proper AI, dynamic or scripted campaign won't matter much. The only game I remember with good AI was Rowan's Battle of Britain. AI in DCS, IL2GB, IL2Clod etc. all suck goats.

[Jaxx76]

Has it been published yet?

[PegasusJF]

Messaggio originale di Jonathan_Rogue:

Has it been published yet?

Regretably no

[john carp]

Messaggio originale di Rogue319:

Has it been published yet?

it will probably be a few months/years till we can get a bit more info on falcon 5

[pgm316]

Messaggio originale di Rogue:

Messaggio originale di B-21 Raider:

After reacquiring the rights, Microprose have confirmed they are laying the groundwork for Falcon 5.0.
Until more info becomes available just don't ask for a release date :)

Its not going to be any good, they NEVER are now, nobody knows HOW to make games like 4.0 anymore.

it will be a Goat Rope.

Agree.

It's not going to be anything like DCS / BMS. They will never spend so much money / time to try and compete with DCS.

It's probably going to be a DCS lite, like a modern version of IL2.

Which could still be good, question mark..

[nelsond0490]

Messaggio originale di Nats:

I hope they make a Falcon 4.0 Redux first like they have done with B17, I just want new graphics I don't need a rewrite. The game is already brilliant.

Then for Falcon 5 a new setting would be great with a new enemy, maybe China. I would love to see a F35 and a Typhoon. It would be good if they could produce 2 or 3 planes with a reasonably accurate suite for each but nothing overly complex. That would be best for me.

But tbh I would actually rather see a fresh F22, F18, Lightning or Typhoon lighter sim game than another complex F16 game. I mean Ive just had a look at Falcon 4.0 BMS and what more do we really need other than a new setting?

I feel you only need the ones in operation, F15 C and E (EX), F16, F18 super hornet, F35, and A10). F22 is being taken out to the farm. People also would want Su, Mig, and Eurofighter.

Full fidelity or bust, it is 2024!

[nelsond0490]

Messaggio originale di pgm316:

Messaggio originale di Rogue:

Its not going to be any good, they NEVER are now, nobody knows HOW to make games like 4.0 anymore.

it will be a Goat Rope.

Agree.

It's not going to be anything like DCS / BMS. They will never spend so much money / time to try and compete with DCS.

It's probably going to be a DCS lite, like a modern version of IL2.

Which could still be good, question mark..

Strong assumption, I feel you both could be wrong, seeing as they have the source code.

[pgm316]

Messaggio originale di nelsond0490:

Messaggio originale di pgm316:

Agree.

It's not going to be anything like DCS / BMS. They will never spend so much money / time to try and compete with DCS.

It's probably going to be a DCS lite, like a modern version of IL2.

Which could still be good, question mark..

Strong assumption, I feel you both could be wrong, seeing as they have the source code.

The source code is very old at this point, whatever they do will take years. It has for the BMS team.

I wouldn't be surprised if the next major BMS update with new features became Falcon 5?

Microprose isn't what it used to be, as a publisher they will rely on a developer, if there is one, that will take on Falcon 5.

[HIVEmind]

throws his hands up in the air. yay

[HIVEmind]

bump. this should be a sticky